What is the plan at wr?

[Panthers8969]

The way I see it, there’s 2 major problems with this team rn: the OL and the wrs. In regards to the line, I actually think our problems mostly remedy themselves in 2024. Health has been this lines biggest issue. We have had our starting guards play exactly 0 games together this year. Icky is still young. If he figures it out, the rest of the OL should be average if not better than average in 2024.

With that out of the way, what I want to discuss here is what the fug we are supposed to do at WR. Thielen has been a pleasant surprise, but he’s old and not as good as his stats would indicate. Mingo had 0 good college seasons and looks incapable of running routes early on. Perhaps he pans out, but based on every historical data point, I think it’s fair to classify that as “unlikely.” No one else on the roster is worth discussing. So, how do we fix the issue of having no weapons? The 2 obvious answers are: FA and the draft. 

FA: the simple fact of the matter is great wrs do not hit FA. I do not see how the bengals or niners let Higgins/ Ayuik go for nothing in return. This has been the case for some years. Most recently, the highest impact wrs who departed in FA were Christian kirk (wr3 on his own team at the time) and Hopkins (old, apparently didn’t want to practice). Both these players were on the same team. Statistically speaking, it would be a massive outlier for any talented and under 30 wr to be available. As such, this cannot be the plan. 

The Draft: many first round wrs come into the league and have great impacts their rookie seasons. This is imo, the most probable way to fix the wr corps. Just one problem; we don’t have a first. The brings us to day 2 wrs: statistically speaking, much less likely that they pan out. Going back 6 years (too early to grade 2023 but looks bleak) from 2022 to 2018 there were 50 day 2 wrs drafted. Of those 50, 13 were hits according to me (please tell me how stupid I am in comments bc it’s really 12 or 14). That’s a ~1/4 chance of hitting on a day 2 wr. As such, this is also not a probable solution. 

Trading: this is how the good teams get wrs. Josh Allen: total bust until they traded for diggs. Tua: bust until hill (and waddle) showed up. Hurts: classic rushinh qb who can’t throw until AJb (and smith) get there. What do all of these have in common? That’s right! Acquired with First round picks! What do we not have? A first! 

Conclusion: every plausible avenue to acquire a wr1 is not available to us. The plan seems to be to get lucky. So, Carolina fans, are you feeling lucky? 

[ncfan]

1 in FA and 1 in the draft probably with our 1st pick (unless a top OL is available)

[CamWhoaaCam]

DK Metcalf or Tee Higgins please!

 

 

[Wolfcop]

Definitely need to attack it in both IMO. We need at least 2 new ones in the top 4. Keep Theilen and Mingo and scrap the rest. I would upgrade or at least add depth at OL, though. 

[Basbear]

Sign  Evans, Pittman, or Higgins to some 5 year 88 Million overpay and use the 2nd rounder on WR as well. 

[Cdparr7]

Depends on a few things really. I imagine they are going into a second year with this staff. So if they recoup any trade value with Burns, Chinn, etc that will be the deciding factor. You’ll have a lot of other holes on the team so you have to take that into account as well. 
 

If we get back into the 1st we will probably use that and sign a second or third tier guy in FA. If we don’t get back into the first we will probably go after a first tier FA and draft one in the 2nd or 3rd.

[tukafan21]

[45catfan]

We'll go with the old tried and true Panthers method, draft one in the 2nd round.

[Basbear]

1 minute ago, 45catfan said:

We'll go with the old tried and true Panthers method, draft one in the 2nd round.

I honestly think thats in the plan. 

Only mingo and the guy whos agent could not find a 2028 7th- TMJ are on the 2024 roster.

The current staff run like 80% 3 WR and even some 4 WR plays. WR is a huuuuuuge hole given they need 5 or 6. 

 

[Cpt slay a ho]

Overpay or luck into one in the draft 

gotta wonder if o line struggles along with young’s struggles are causing the current wr group to suffer 

if we do add a wr, o line needs to be immediately the next fix 

[45catfan]

18 minutes ago, Basbear said:

I honestly think thats in the plan. 

Only mingo and the guy whos agent could not find a 2028 7th- TMJ are on the 2024 roster.

The current staff run like 80% 3 WR and even some 4 WR plays. WR is a huuuuuuge hole given they need 5 or 6. 

 

I know and they are both 2nd rounders.  One more second round bust at WR will seem fitting.

[Panthers8969]

I don’t think y’all realize good FA wrs do not become available 

[Johnstonny]

7 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

I know and they are both 2nd rounders.  One more second round bust at WR will seem fittererering.

Fixed it for ya.

[Jmac]

1 hour ago, Panthers8969 said:

The way I see it, there’s 2 major problems with this team rn: the OL and the wrs. In regards to the line, I actually think our problems mostly remedy themselves in 2024. Health has been this lines biggest issue. We have had our starting guards play exactly 0 games together this year. Icky is still young. If he figures it out, the rest of the OL should be average if not better than average in 2024.

With that out of the way, what I want to discuss here is what the fug we are supposed to do at WR. Thielen has been a pleasant surprise, but he’s old and not as good as his stats would indicate. Mingo had 0 good college seasons and looks incapable of running routes early on. Perhaps he pans out, but based on every historical data point, I think it’s fair to classify that as “unlikely.” No one else on the roster is worth discussing. So, how do we fix the issue of having no weapons? The 2 obvious answers are: FA and the draft. 

FA: the simple fact of the matter is great wrs do not hit FA. I do not see how the bengals or niners let Higgins/ Ayuik go for nothing in return. This has been the case for some years. Most recently, the highest impact wrs who departed in FA were Christian kirk (wr3 on his own team at the time) and Hopkins (old, apparently didn’t want to practice). Both these players were on the same team. Statistically speaking, it would be a massive outlier for any talented and under 30 wr to be available. As such, this cannot be the plan. 

The Draft: many first round wrs come into the league and have great impacts their rookie seasons. This is imo, the most probable way to fix the wr corps. Just one problem; we don’t have a first. The brings us to day 2 wrs: statistically speaking, much less likely that they pan out. Going back 6 years (too early to grade 2023 but looks bleak) from 2022 to 2018 there were 50 day 2 wrs drafted. Of those 50, 13 were hits according to me (please tell me how stupid I am in comments bc it’s really 12 or 14). That’s a ~1/4 chance of hitting on a day 2 wr. As such, this is also not a probable solution. 

Trading: this is how the good teams get wrs. Josh Allen: total bust until they traded for diggs. Tua: bust until hill (and waddle) showed up. Hurts: classic rushinh qb who can’t throw until AJb (and smith) get there. What do all of these have in common? That’s right! Acquired with First round picks! What do we not have? A first! 

Conclusion: every plausible avenue to acquire a wr1 is not available to us. The plan seems to be to get lucky. So, Carolina fans, are you feeling lucky? 

Trying to find a retired WR sitting on his couch watching cartoons, sign him to the practice squad....dats da plan