RB Coach Duce Staley and QB Coach Josh McCown fired

[Jackie Lee]

Where did everybody go? Where's Josh? lol

 

[kungfoodude]

9 hours ago, Panthercougar68 said:

You can’t hire people from other teams anyway but the fact that no deals were made at trade deadline tells me that Scott knows he’s in hot water.

I think it's more that we couldn't find a partner at the right price.

[BY9Franchise]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think it's more that we couldn't find a partner at the right price.

Don't forget to rage quit on the canes tonight always need the good mojo

[cookinbrak]

9 hours ago, Krovvy said:

What an absolute shitshow. Coaches pulling knives on each other.

Oline coach will be gone soon. Or did everyone forget how to block in a season?

[kungfoodude]

1 minute ago, BY9Franchise said:

Don't forget to rage quit on the canes tonight always need the good mojo

I am watching early on, if we start shitting the bed we gotta stick with what works.

I could possibly propel us to the Cup.

[BY9Franchise]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I think it's more that we couldn't find a partner at the right price.

But back on topic it was rather meaningless we saw were the season was going and without a #1 trading capital would have hurt.... Panthers need a new gm and to nail the draft this off season I want a WR and then all olinemen in the draft 

 

Sign Pittman Jr from indy.... sign Shultz pick a fa rb sign some depth 

[BY9Franchise]

1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

I am watching early on, if we start shitting the bed we gotta stick with what works.

I could possibly propel us to the Cup.

Honestly I've done the same and every time I do they comeback....I haven't done it recently because evey time I did they come back to win I was pissed that game last year we scored 3 in the last 30 seconds to tie and then 8 seconds into ot won

[WhoKnows]

15 hours ago, BrianS said:

This, this is what we call an "agenda" kids.

You can't look at targets vs receptions to determine drops.  For instance Theilen has 100 targets and 77 receptions - did he "drop" 23 balls?  No.  Theilen has 4 drops this year.

Chuba is a better player this year than last, who finds himself on a far worse team.

What agenda? I specifically didn’t say drops because the number of targets not caught was 3 and 4, negligible difference. Why is Chuba better this year? He took a big step forward from 2021 to 2022. He’s no different this year than last except that his ypc/ypr are down a lot. Again, how has Chuba improved and become better in 2023 over 2022?

[Wundrbread33]

1 hour ago, WhoKnows said:

What agenda? I specifically didn’t say drops because the number of targets not caught was 3 and 4, negligible difference. Why is Chuba better this year? He took a big step forward from 2021 to 2022. He’s no different this year than last except that his ypc/ypr are down a lot. Again, how has Chuba improved and become better in 2023 over 2022?

Chubba is noticeably better. He’s bigger. Runs with more power/aggression. His hands have stood out to me too. 
 

However the stats of a back are so heavily influenced by the performance of the line, and that line has been NOTICEABLY worse.

 

I really hope it is a scheme mismatch. Otherwise, we are much more screwed if everyone just overachieved last season. 

[PanthersGTI]

4 hours ago, BY9Franchise said:

The amount of dramatic  conjuncture in this thread is worse than being forced to watch the real housewives with my wife because the panthers s*ck.

For real, people just making up poo. 

 

Deuce did a terrible job coaching up our RBs. There was no improvement. He couldn't train these guys to hit the few holes we did make. He got a lot of hype coming out of Hard Knocks for talking a lot.  Josh McCown was a reach at QB coach. He was a great back up and helped a lot of young QBs from that perspective but that is not the same thing as a coach at all. 

 

Look at that! Easy enough to explain that they were just bad at their jobs! ORRRRR we can believe that Josh McCown had a stack of love letters for CJ Stoud that made fun of Bryce Young. Tepper and Tabor found them in his desk and fired him.

Edited November 28, 2023 by PanthersGTI

[Growl]

18 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's not really a hard thing to imagine.

Hard to see personality being an issue with McCown though.

Which is what makes the idea that McCown was fired because “he wanted stroud” so ridiculous.

because what people are really saying with that assertion is not that McCown wanted stroud, but that he had become insolent or unproductive in regards to doing his job with Young because he “wanted Stroud” 

if that’s the case he should’ve been fired anyways, position coaches on every team in every draft get outvoted on who they want, they still have the responsibility of going out there and developing the players they did get

I suspect however the idea that McCown is tossing chairs and stabbing people in the back to save his own skin in regards to the selection however is probably a dumb theory

he was more likely fired because he never should’ve been hired

he was brought here because he was a high profile wunderkind that was exciting to bring aboard, not because of a long and tenured resume’ for QB development that you absolutely had to have in that coaches’ room when you’re spending as big as you are to get a QB

he may develop into a great coach but to put so much on someone with literally no coaching experience was always dumb 

it was not the right environment for him or the panthers 

Edited November 28, 2023 by Growl

[frankw]

I see folks have taken to shitting on McCown now after fawning over his breakdown videos many months ago.

Maybe he was the wrong choice. Maybe we shouldn't have hired a QB coach with no previous experience doing so.

Or maybe the QB coach doesn't matter as much as ya'll think and you still need a player with the necessary traits to make the jump to the next level.

Below is CJ Stroud's QB coach.

Anyone going to tell me he has significantly more experience than McCown?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerrod_Johnson

[jamos14]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

I see folks have taken to shitting on McCown now after fawning over his breakdown videos many months ago.

Maybe he was the wrong choice. Maybe we shouldn't have hired a QB coach with no previous experience doing so.

Or maybe the QB coach doesn't matter as much as ya'll think and you still need a player with the necessary traits to make the jump to the next level.

Below is CJ Stroud's QB coach.

Anyone going to tell me he has significantly more experience than McCown?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerrod_Johnson

I don't think Stroud has anything to do with this.   He has performed exceptionally well.  Props to him and his team.   His situation in a Shanahan offense is worlds different.  It's exactly what Bryce needs too.  

McCown is a really smart football guy.  Maybe he is just a scapegoat taking the fall because QB has struggled.   Maybe it just boils down to Bryce not improving his fundamentals and getting worse as pressure has been ratcheted up.    Maybe Caldwell just wanted to be the only voice for Bryce the last 1.5 months.

McCown will succeed down the road, he is charismatic and smart.

 

 

 

[BY9Franchise]

13 hours ago, Varking said:

Or it just makes sense? Literal speculation. 

Nope literally just a bunch of men being dramatic and butthurt.... not speculation implies even the hint of fact here there is none.