If you're looking for an argument...

[mrcompletely11]

7 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

Anybody that wants to claim they can make an assessment of Bryce Young, behind this oline, and without receivers that can consistently take the top off defenses and be a real threat....

 

Well, just turn in your fan card. 

Seriously.   

 

Is the oline or wrs making Bryce hop up and down when he throws?

[Mr Mojo Risin]

16 hours ago, Seltzer said:

You cannot throw deep if you don't have time and guys don't get open.  It's simple physics.

Doesn't matter if your name is Bryce Young, CJ Stroud, Cam Newton, Josh Allen, Patrick Mahomes, or Tom Brady.

There should not be anything controversial or hard to understand about that.

The literal only thing the metrics show about Bryce is that he has been incredibly accurate when guys have been open.  

There is no other legitimate, football-based observation you can even make under this level of dysfunction.

He is playing behind the #31 ranked offensive line and the #32 ranked receivers.

I'm not trying to be mean, but so much of this discussion has no basis in reality.

All this theoretical nonsense about Stroud vs. Young is nothing more than hot-take nonsense at this point.

Would it be accurate to say Bryce is superior b/c he won the head-to-head matchup?  And looked markedly better?

Of course not, but so much of this other "analysis" is absolute nonsense either.

I genuinely question the mental acuity of people making these sweeping pronouncements after 10 games as if they have definitely answered anything.

I'm hoping we can actually start legitimately evaluating Bryce now that Reich is gone, hopefully we will have someone actually interested in implementing an offense catered to the players instead of whatever Reich's offensive abomination was.

There is literally nothing to take from the Reich Era other than it was a massive mistake.

And as mad as I am with Tepper's mismanagement of the team, he was right to rip this bandaid off.  Reich looked like he had never coached in his life.  He was obviously not ready to come back coaching.

Finding someone who can actually maximize BY9's ability is what we need.  Whatever this was offensively for the 1st 11 weeks, I don't know, but I just want to flush it and move on.

Are y'all really ready to give up on Bryce after 10 games under the absolute worse conditions I could imagine?  Because if so, please, and I mean this in all seriousness, find another team and QB you think is worthy of cheering for.

Go fanboy for CJ Stroud.  He has undoubtedly been very good as a rookie, but I know 2 things, and the film backs this up 10000%:  1) He has looked way worse under pressure than BY9 2) He faces far, far less pressure than BY9 and has an exponentially better supporting cast

CJ Stroud being successful doesn't change the fact Bryce can/will also be once this dysfunction isn't suffocating him. 

B/c I know damn well Bryce will produce when/if he provided with even the bare requisite around him.

This is the nadir for the Panthers franchise.  Now really is the time to depart, and no one will know.  In all seriousness, just now.

But shoot me now if this place is just going to be nonsensical BY9 bashing... I lived through that for 2.5 years with Cam from 2011- 1st half 2013, and that was with teams with actual talent like Smitty, Olsen, D-Will & J-Stew plus Luke and a badass front 7 on defense.

Winning is the ultimate deodorant, and we haven't done that in 6 years and counting.  That is the biggest issue, along with the meddling owner who is the one constant.

Blaming Bryce IMHO is the literal laziest thing a Panthers fan can do, when he is literally the least responsible for this cascade of ineptitude and failure that has defined this franchise since 2018.

 

Absolutely well said.

[pantherclaw]

18 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I assess that he looks terrible. His feet are all over the place so he's not ready to throw and ends up late even when he sees it.

Yes, the offense around him is broken. But simply evaluating his play by itself, it's not good. At all.

Will a better system and surrounding talent help him? We all hope so, but man he looks really damn bad.

When he has time, he looks good. Unfortunately he has no time because the interior rush comes through unblocked at least 50% of the time. 

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

When he has time, he looks good. Unfortunately he has no time because the interior rush comes through unblocked at least 50% of the time. 

I'm just gonna be honest, he's maybe made a total of ten throws all season that I wouldn't expect practically any roster caliber NFL QB to be able to make.

[ncstatekwi]

I have faith in Bryce…looking forward to seeing some Huddlers eat 

Heeeehheeeeehaaahaaaa

[DamnItJake!]

57 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

When he has time, he looks good. Unfortunately he has no time because the interior rush comes through unblocked at least 50% of the time. 

I agree when he has time he does make some good plays.. the left side of the line is a huge mess.. let’s see if Brown/Caldwell can improve it .. if so then we know where the issue was. I hate to say it I saw Dak make a jump throw!! I was like that looks familiar!! Never noticed it until we drafted Young! Was supposed to be a short reply!! Lol

[Mr. Scot]

Defense of Young from RG3...

 

[pantherclaw]

Take ANY offense. 

Ship off your 2 best playmaker, one being the best in the league at his position.  

Start the season with 2 new guys at guards, one being a rookie. 

Hiw is ANY QB suppose to succeed in that situation. 

Now insert a rookie QB. 

[uncfan888]

People that act like stroud wouldn't be struggling in this abomination of an offense are kidding themselves 

[WUnderhill]

52 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

Take ANY offense. 

Ship off your 2 best playmaker, one being the best in the league at his position.  

Start the season with 2 new guys at guards, one being a rookie. 

Hiw is ANY QB suppose to succeed in that situation. 

Now insert a rookie QB. 

When the 9ers didn’t have Deebo Samuel and Trent Williams for a couple games, they struggled. Only 17 points per game compared to their normal 27. And they still had McC, Aiyuk, Kittle, and a 10x better OL than we have.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, WUnderhill said:

When the 9ers didn’t have Deebo Samuel and Trent Williams for a couple games, they struggled. Only 17 points per game compared to their normal 27. And they still had McC, Aiyuk, Kittle, and a 10x better OL than we have.

Purdy is honestly pretty mediocre. Helluva 7th rounder but as a starting QB he's carried by his system and his weapons. Sadly, we're gonna have to replicate that for our #1 overall pick to work out.

[WUnderhill]

10 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Purdy is honestly pretty mediocre. Helluva 7th rounder but as a starting QB he's carried by his system and his weapons. Sadly, we're gonna have to replicate that for our #1 overall pick to work out.

[ForJimmy]

16 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Defense of Young from RG3...

 

Yeah it’s really hard to make an assessment IMO. He has brought some of the struggles on himself, but the offense is a complete mess. Most former players and analysts understand this. 

[Mr. Scot]

39 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Yeah it’s really hard to make an assessment IMO. He has brought some of the struggles on himself, but the offense is a complete mess. Most former players and analysts understand this. 

He was going to have rookie struggles regardless. Nothing would prevent that.

I'd agree he's developed some bad habits. They can conceivably be coaches out but it won't be easy.