Tepper's patience is why we are screwed for at least 3 more years.

[Ricky Spanish]

I keep seeing the narrative from national pundits and the media at large that Tepper's impatience is running us into the ground. These people obviously aren't panther fans. If they were, they'd realize the fact that Tepper had TOO MUCH patience for Matt Rhule specifically, and that's what has led to our football purgatory.

It was painfully obvious to literally all panther fans that Rhule sucked and year 3 was going to suck under him. But for whatever reason, Tepper decided to run it back with a hack college coach who sucked at managing and coaching grown men.

Had we fired Rhule then, we'd have had the opportunity to hire one of the following coaches:

Kevin O'Connell

Mike McDaniel

Brian Daboll

Doug Pederson

Of course, we also would have had the opportunity to hire one of the following coaches as well, which let's be honest, is probably the talent pool we would have been wading in:

Josh McDaniels

Matt Eberfuls

Nathanial Hackett

Regardless, we had a real shot at a firm reset last year with a solid up-and-coming coach, but we pissed it all away to watch Rhule and co. flounder for the first month of the season, only to have a grownup step in and clean up his mess. We wouldn't have had to trade away CMC or DJ Moore, and then we wouldn't have had to mortgage the future to trade up to #1 and draft Bryce.

The frustrating part is that this isn't even revisionist history, NO ONE in the fan base wanted Rhule back. It was painfully obvious he sucked and would continue to suck into the future.

Then Fitterer went and panic sold all our best players to try and get a QB that he already sank tons of resources into.

At least he ripped the band-aid off with Reich. That needed to happen as well. Now he needs to rip the band-aid off with Fitterer, do a hard reset this offseason and embrace the suck for the next 3 years as we try to claw our way back to being mediocre with a new regime and new talent.

I think we had the talent last year to get a playoff spot if we had competent coaching from the get-go. I never think any one franchise is more than 2 years away from competing, but now we are so depleted of talent and hope that we are in a 3-year rebuild at the shortest. Had we just pulled the plug on Rhule when it needed to happen, we wouldn't be in such dire straits.

[45catfan]

Tepper has a knee jerk reaction to bad decisions he made in the past.  Because he held on to Rhule that 3rd season, Dave was determined not to 'waste' time this go around.  The evidence is everywhere: QBs, philosophy, coaches etc.. The problem is that Tepper is NOT a football guy and approaching this venture into football like swinging a bat trying to hit a pinata.  When he swings one direction and doesn't connect, he wildly swings in another direction.  Another reason he's so damn focused on analytics.  He doesn't intuitively 'get' football, so he relies on sets of data to help him make sense of things.

[uncfan888]

If we look like crap again next year, we'll reset with a new qb in 2025. If tepper finally realizes he's 90 percent of the problem, we'll be OK. But who knows if his giant ego will allow that to happen 

[rayzor]

yeah that's the narrative i can't buy at all...talking as if tepper jumped too quickly off of rhule when he actually did it a season and a half too late. 

we all saw it from the outside. you have to know there was some stuff to see from the inside. 

but the appropriate criticism of tepper wasn't a lack of patience with rhule, it was far too much. 

same could be said with both rivera and hurney both. too much patience with them. 

he pulled the plug on reich at the right moment. i mean we're screwed, but we were screwed anyways. time to get started looking at new HCs and hoping the recent guys don't scare them all off.

[rayzor]

Just now, uncfan888 said:

If we look like crap again next year, we'll reset with a new qb in 2025. If tepper finally realizes he's 90 percent of the problem, we'll be OK. But who knows if his giant ego will allow that to happen 

i've already checked out of next season, too. i just don't have a good feeling about anything up until 2025 and even then i'm kind of sketchy about it.

[raleigh-panther]

2 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i've already checked out of next season, too. i just don't have a good feeling about anything up until 2025 and even then i'm kind of sketchy about it.

It’s heart breaking to me as that is the reality 

been with the franchise from the very beginning 

that’s the way of pro sports….pay your money and take your chances 

watching the Teppers’ quickly exit, with his wife leading yesterday,  out of their box after the 1 yard failure was hilarious   

if only  they would leave town that quickly 

[45catfan]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

yeah that's the narrative i can't buy at all...talking as if tepper jumped too quickly off of rhule when he actually did it a season and a half too late. 

we all saw it from the outside. you have to know there was some stuff to see from the inside. 

but the appropriate criticism of tepper wasn't a lack of patience with rhule, it was far too much. 

same could be said with both rivera and hurney both. too much patience with them. 

he pulled the plug on reich at the right moment. i mean we're screwed, but we were screwed anyways. time to get started looking at new HCs and hoping the recent guys don't scare them all off.

That's the reason it was so dumb to pull the plug on Reich mid-season.  If he had his mind on letting Frank go, fine, do it at the end of the season.  Our season, while 'mathematically' not eliminated from the playoffs, was over, but firing a coach at the quickest rate in 40 year is going to give some good candidates pause before coming here.  I know, there's only 32 of these jobs, BUT unless a dude is unemployed, he can stick around his current gig until the next coaching cycle.  Approximately 8 openings happen every year, so a calculating--smart coach will stay put and wait until the next cycle and stay away from this dumpster fire.

[KSpan]

It started before Rhule - he held on to Ron and Hurney too long. He's been a day late and a dollar short since the very start.

[uncfan888]

8 minutes ago, rayzor said:

i've already checked out of next season, too. i just don't have a good feeling about anything up until 2025 and even then i'm kind of sketchy about it.

All depends on tepper finally realizing he doesn't know everything. If that happens, we'll be OK. If it doesn't, we're screwed 

[Ricky Spanish]

2 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

That's the reason it was so dumb to pull the plug on Reich mid-season.  If he had his mind on letting Frank go, fine, do it at the end of the season.  Our season, while 'mathematically' not eliminated from the playoffs, was over, but firing a coach at the quickest rate in 40 year is going to give some good candidates pause before coming here.  I know, there's only 32 of these jobs, BUT unless a dude is unemployed, he can stick around his current gig until the next coaching cycle.  Approximately 8 openings happen every year, so a calculating--smart coach will stay put and wait until the next cycle and stay away from this dumpster fire.

He did it to see if Reich was the problem, or Bryce was the problem.

[csx]

I'm not sure there is any common theme with patience. He just makes piss poor decisions whenever they occur.

His impatience with Reich might damage the team more than anything he has done. Reich is a well liked individual and this will leave a scar.

Edited December 4, 2023 by csx

[raleigh-panther]

4 minutes ago, Ricky Spanish said:

He did it to see if Reich was the problem, or Bryce was the problem.

What do you think he sees now ?

[Ted Ginn Jr.'s Hands]

It has been a downward spiral to get to this pt.  If we don't hire rhule, the trade up for Herbert probably happens and we still have dj and cmc.  We keep digging ourselves in deeper holes trying to fix our previous mistakes 

[45catfan]

Just now, Ricky Spanish said:

He did it to see if Reich was the problem, or Bryce was the problem.

Let's test this theory and see how patient he is with Bryce.  If Bryce not only loses out the rest of the season AND still looks like he's not even at NFL backup caliber, then we should be making a QB change in the offseason, correct?  It's been 40 years since a coach was fired this quickly, but Josh Rosen getting the boot was in recent years.  Let's see how patient Tepper is with Young.