It's an organizational problem

[LinvilleGorge]

I see a lot of people thinking it's an OL issue or it's an offensive skill position talent issue or it's a QB issue or it's a coaching/scheming issue or it's a talent evaluation issue.

The simple answer is "yes". The answer to all those questions is "yes" because the issue is that at the foundation, the Panthers are a poorly ran football organization.

Our schemes don't fit our talent. Aside from Bryce, we tend to draft high RAS prospects who need technique development, but when was the last time we actually developed a player? One of our big talent issues is that our draft picks tend to be as good as they're going to get the day we draft them. From then on they either plateau or regress. It's hard to develop talent in an environment of coaching revolving doors and constant schematic and football philosophy turmoil.

Our last coach openly talked about the weekly meetings with Tepper and how Tepper is a very involved owner before being fired. Tepper's influence on personnel decisions and meddling down to the level of individual play calls is widely rumored at this point.

Long story short is we have a David Tepper problem. He keeps thinking we're one knee jerk move away from being a contender and he seems utterly clueless that building a football organization and then a football team from within that organization is a process. There aren't any bandaid quick fixes in the NFL and as long as he's constantly searching for that we're going to continue to be an ever worsening poo show.

He keeps looking for that one thing that's going to turn everything around whether it's hiring a hot shot college staff or hiring a complete retread highly experienced NFL staff or trading up to #1 to get what he views as a super processor QB but he either can't or refuses to acknowledge that we aren't one thing away from being a good football ORGANIZATION. He's the problem and that's a BIG problem because an ownership issue is the one thing you can't fix. You can't fire the owner. Until he realizes that he has to focus first on building a quality football organization we're doomed and the first step to building that quality football organization is seeing himself out of it.

He needs to be honest with himself. David Tepper the owner would have already fired David Tepper the President of Football Operations which is essentially the role that he's filling. He has to recognize this reality and essentially fire himself from his current role and redefine his role within the organization because it's very obvious that this current approach hasn't worked, isn't working, and is unlikely to work in the future.

So David, if you or anyone with your ear reads this, please hire someone qualified that you trust to build you a football organization and give that person the space and freedom to do it.

[CRA]

I still think the football component is just a toy aspect for the billionaire and his wife.  It's their bonus fun. And they are enjoying themselves with their Madden-like management. They invested in a sports franchise to diversify and grow their wealth.  That was and is the reason they are here.  Which it has done in the short time he has owned the team.   In fact, it is mind boggling how good these investments are for the mega rich.  It makes that Frank/Rhule money flushed down the drain mere play money in reality. 

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, CRA said:

I still think the football component is just a toy aspect for the billionaire and his wife.  It's their bonus fun. And they are enjoying themselves with their Madden-like management. They invested in a sports franchise to diversify and grow their wealth.  That was and is the reason they are here.  Which it has done in the short time he has owned the team.   In fact, it is mind boggling how good these investments are for the mega rich.  It makes that Frank/Rhule money flushed down the drain mere play money in reality. 

At some point the abysmal failure has to either get old or get embarrassing or both. Surely failing this miserably has to stop being fun at some point.

[UnluckyforSome]

That's why nothing is going to change until Tepper changes how he operates. Remember, he confidently stated that he reserves the right to veto whatever and whenever, so get used to disappointment. How many 66 year old adults go about making a sea change in their life?

[PootieNunu]

Tepper is ready to double down on he and Nicole running poo so they can prove everyone wrong. 

Be prepared for several more years of losing the Tepper way.

[thennek]

It is amazing how one person can create such controversy that extends into at least 2 states and impacts millions of people. And yet this person is completely oblivious that he is the problem causing the controversy. If he left the Carolina’s and the Panthers millions would cheer and celebrate. 

[csx]

Firing Reich accomplished nothing.

[SOJA]

fuging yes dude, the whole "we are one move away" has plagued us since he took over. In fact if he had just been patient and sucked ass our very first year with Rhule we would have ended up with Trevor Lawrence 

At this point this team needs a complete rebuild outside of 

definite keepers: 95, 49, 72

either sign him or trade him: 0

needs more time: 9, 8, 79, 15

And that's pretty much it, every other position could be argued that it needs to be either upgraded or at minimum needs quality depth 

I would focus heavily on building up the offensive line this offseason as well as the WR corps. 

But most importantly, above all else, we will never be succesful much less even mediocre if David Tepper continues to meddle. No one can do their job effectively with a boss breathing down their neck making asinine and ridiculous suggestions. No one will want to come here to work for him. 

The issue is I don't see this happening 

[SmokinwithWilly]

4 minutes ago, SOJA said:

fuging yes dude, the whole "we are one move away" has plagued us since he took over. In fact if he had just been patient and sucked ass our very first year with Rhule we would have ended up with Trevor Lawrence 

At this point this team needs a complete rebuild outside of 

definite keepers: 95, 49, 72

either sign him or trade him: 0

needs more time: 9, 8, 79, 15

And that's pretty much it, every other position could be argued that it needs to be either upgraded or at minimum needs quality depth 

I would focus heavily on building up the offensive line this offseason as well as the WR corps. 

But most importantly, above all else, we will never be succesful much less even mediocre if David Tepper continues to meddle. No one can do their job effectively with a boss breathing down their neck making asinine and ridiculous suggestions. No one will want to come here to work for him. 

The issue is I don't see this happening 

We are in fact one move away. When the for sale sign goes up, Dave finally made the right move. 

[SOJA]

Just now, SmokinwithWilly said:

We are in fact one move away. When the for sale sign goes up, Dave finally made the right move. 

post of the year, hope tepper reads this 

[hepcat]

We’re beating a dead horse at this point. We know it’s Tepper. It starts at the top. Every year he has been the owner the team has gotten worse with the lone exception being Steve Wilks’s short tenure. We’d all be better served spending our time focused on something more productive on Sundays. 

[PootieNunu]

5 minutes ago, SOJA said:

fuging yes dude, the whole "we are one move away" has plagued us since he took over. In fact if he had just been patient and sucked ass our very first year with Rhule we would have ended up with Trevor Lawrence 

At this point this team needs a complete rebuild outside of 

definite keepers: 95, 49, 72

either sign him or trade him: 0

needs more time: 9, 8, 79, 15

And that's pretty much it, every other position could be argued that it needs to be either upgraded or at minimum needs quality depth 

I would focus heavily on building up the offensive line this offseason as well as the WR corps. 

But most importantly, above all else, we will never be succesful much less even mediocre if David Tepper continues to meddle. No one can do their job effectively with a boss breathing down their neck making asinine and ridiculous suggestions. No one will want to come here to work for him. 

The issue is I don't see this happening 

You assume he would have actually allowed the drafting of Lawrence, he would have waited until the last week and then forced Mac Jones.

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, hepcat said:

We’re beating a dead horse at this point. We know it’s Tepper. It starts at the top. Every year he has been the owner the team has gotten worse with the lone exception being Steve Wilks’s short tenure. We’d all be better served spending our time focused on something more productive on Sundays. 

Our best runs of "success" under Tepper was his first year of ownership when he said he would focus on the business side of the house in year one before "putting his stamp" on the football side of the house and Wilks' interim run when Tepper had likely written off the current season and was simply focusing on the future. He should realize that the less he meddles in the present time the better the results are on the field.

How would he react if a football coach or football front office person came strutting into his office telling him all about how they'd run a hedge fund? He'd laugh in their face and tell them to GTFO and stay in their lane which is exactly what he needs to tell himself on football matters.

[TLGPanthersFan]

53 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Our last coach openly talked about the weekly meetings with Tepper and how Tepper is a very involved owner before being fired. Tepper's influence on personnel decisions and meddling down to the level of individual play calls is widely rumored at this point.

Hasn’t the weekly meeting been a thing since he got here? 
Rivera and Rhule both said they would have weekly meetings. 
I don’t know why people are making a big deal out of this. 
I am very certain other teams HC have weekly meetings. We are not unique.