LaCanfora Hearing that Scott will be Gone

[TN05]

17 minutes ago, hepcat said:

Hurney at least had an eye for talent. He was about as boom or bust as it got. His hits were home runs. His whiffs were catastrophic.

His whiffs were almost entirely in late rounds, and even then he had a ton of really good hits.

The fact of the matter is - we've never had a better drafter than him. And there was nobody in the league better at drafting generational talent in the first round. We got absolutely spoiled by a decade of first round home runs.

[Mr. Scot]

9 minutes ago, TN05 said:

His whiffs were almost entirely in late rounds, and even then he had a ton of really good hits.

The fact of the matter is - we've never had a better drafter than him. And there was nobody in the league better at drafting generational talent in the first round. We got absolutely spoiled by a decade of first round home runs.

I wouldn't call Round 2 a "late round".

And giving the generational tag to anybody except Newton and Kucehly would be...generous.

Hell, outside of Newton, every single draft pick in 2011 was pretty much a bust.

Edited December 14, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, TN05 said:

We didn't "repeatedly get high draft picks". 7-9 was our floor for most of Hurney's tenure. Three of our best picks, Chris Gamble Jon Beason and DeAngelo Williams, were late first-rounders.

Couple factual points here...

Gamble was a trade up pick after the Super Bowl season. No issues with him.

Beason was taken after a trade down. The Jets traded up to our spot (#14). We got Beason. They got Darrelle Revis. Which of those two would you call "generational"?

With Williams, we got lucky. Our draft board that year had Laurence Maroney as the top runningback, but the Patriots took him before we had the chance (basically saved us feom ourselves).

It wasn't too long after that that Marty started trading away future first rounders and using our next top picks on guys like Everette Brown and Armanti Edwards.

Shocking he's not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as an executive, I know

Edited December 14, 2023 by Mr. Scot

[hepcat]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

And giving the generational tag to anybody except Newton and Kucehly would be...generous.

Julius Peppers says hi. 

Your hate for Marty Hurney is so f*cking funny. Like this dude banged your wife or something. He wasn’t the greatest GM of all time but he is easily the best GM the Panthers have had and one of the best 1st round drafters of all time. But I guess hitting his first rounders for the better part of two decades is just lucky to you.

Meanwhile your best friend Dave Gettleman is a certified dick who whiffed on several of his first rounders, and let’s not even get to the worst Panthers GM of all time Scott Fitterer. I’d take Hurney era competency back right about now. 

[hepcat]

4 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Better than bust or bust.

Don’t gotta tell me twice, I think Fitterer has been a dunce since the moment he walked through the door. 

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Couple factual points here...

Gamble was a trade up pick after the Super Bowl season. No issues with him.

Beason was taken after a trade down. The Jets traded up to our spot (#14). We got Beason. They got Darrelle Revis. Which of those two would you call "generational"?

With Williams, we got lucky. Our draft board that year had Laurence Maroney as the top runningback, but the Patriots took him before we had the chance (basically saved us feom ourselves).

It wasn't too long after that that Marty started trading away future first rounders and using our next top picks on guys like Everette Brown and Armanti Edwards.

Shocking he's not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame as an executive, I know

I mean, I agree, but it's widely considered a good thing if you can hit on a couple of players during a draft. Three is really good, and four or more is phenomenal. Hurney had some decent drafts, just not exceptional ones, but most don't.  Drafting is only a part of the battle though, probably the most important part, but only a part. I wasn't too enthused with his acquisitions, nor was I all that enamored with cap management duruing his tenure (whoever was handling it). He did steal Olsen though. 

[Khyber53]

10 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Ownership.

Richardson believed in Hurney. Hell, he even fired a guy with a much better record so he could bring him back.

Tepper waited too long to fire Hurney then forced his next hire to work under Rhule.

Tepper just actually chose even more poorly. 

Even more poorly than Gettleman.

Whew, we've had some bad GMs.

[rayzor]

There's no way Fitt or anyone in this front office should still have a job.

Worst team in the league by far (which, considering the level of sick not just in division, but in conference is quite an accomplishment) and you traded away your first pick....you sold the farm for the first pick and the coaching staff you hired smell of the hunger games, then your head coach gets fired and the whole coaching staff you spent mega millions on us a getting fired too?

Wow what a failure. Probably the worst failure in the history of the league.

I know it's on Tepper, but the heads that roll on this (and there will be) dont belong to the owner and his wife.

[Mayor Qumiby]

Good riddance to Scott and his fat neck 

[Ricky Prickles]

Time to move on and hoping he goes. We need a new coach and GM here, not one at a time years apart.

[AggieLean]

Fitt is the worst GM this team has had. It’s sad, but Hurney is the best. 
 

Easy to see why this franchise has been the way it is. 

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, hepcat said:

Julius Peppers says hi. 

Your hate for Marty Hurney is so f*cking funny. Like this dude banged your wife or something. He wasn’t the greatest GM of all time but he is easily the best GM the Panthers have had and one of the best 1st round drafters of all time. But I guess hitting his first rounders for the better part of two decades is just lucky to you.

Meanwhile your best friend Dave Gettleman is a certified dick who whiffed on several of his first rounders, and let’s not even get to the worst Panthers GM of all time Scott Fitterer. I’d take Hurney era competency back right about now. 

And your choice to make things personal rather than factual, as usual, is noted

[Mr. Scot]

5 hours ago, top dawg said:

I mean, I agree, but it's widely considered a good thing if you can hit on a couple of players during a draft. Three is really good, and four or more is phenomenal. Hurney had some decent drafts, just not exceptional ones, but most don't.  Drafting is only a part of the battle though, probably the most important part, but only a part. I wasn't too enthused with his acquisitions, nor was I all that enamored with cap management duruing his tenure (whoever was handling it). He did steal Olsen though. 

Correct, which is why (despite the personality issues) Gettleman is still the best GM we've had.

Highlighting Marty making good draft picks while still building losing teams is like pointing to great plays made in a lost game. Yeah, cool play...but we still lost.

And again, Marty gave us Rhule.

[Jackie Lee]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

There's no way Fitt or anyone in this front office should still have a job.

Worst team in the league by far (which, considering the level of sick not just in division, but in conference is quite an accomplishment) and you traded away your first pick....you sold the farm for the first pick and the coaching staff you hired smell of the hunger games, then your head coach gets fired and the whole coaching staff you spent mega millions on us a getting fired too?

Wow what a failure. Probably the worst failure in the history of the league.

I know it's on Tepper, but the heads that roll on this (and there will be) dont belong to the owner and his wife.

Good point, Tepper alienating himself from lots of staff prospects by pretty much having to get rid of Evero/Tabor/Campen/Mccown/Reich/Duce/Caldwell/Dom Capers, the list goes on. That group is pretty much connected to every single HC prospect Tepper is going to try to lure in and they aren't going to have great things to say about working for him. He's probably going to make some desperation hire, or try a college guy again if he can't do better than a Nathaniel Hackett type guy.