Should the Panthers trade Jaycee Horn?

[Call Me James]

At some point we just need to look at our support staff and wonder why so many players are injured.

[WhoKnows]

1 hour ago, rayzor said:

If someone would give us a first for him? Absolutely.

I'd even take an early second.

He has never been reliable. I don't see that changing. First round pick would be more valuable.

Less than that, though, ride with it and hope he quits breaking. I really don't see that happening though. He's going to just spend his whole contract here being talented and sidelined.

I hate to say that I agree with you. If I could get a future 1st (2025), I’d do it. He hasn’t helped us so far because of all the missed games, which don’t even count missing many partial games when he got hurt in game or was on a pitch count coming back.

The biggest issue is that he’s a top ten pick so the 5th year/franchise options aren’t cheap and we’ve already wasted 3 out of 4 cheap rookie contract years and we aren’t competing in 2024 so a future talent means more.

Right now, I think only Brown is a real “reliable” anchor and Luvu is likely reasonable enough to keep long term. Burns is an enigma because he is young enough but he doesn’t appear to be worth what it would cost. We fuged up the best deal we would get but if I could get a first+ for him I would also trade him. Everyone else is on the block for picks and cap space to rollover because we won’t be competing until we solve the Young debacle.

[UNCrules2187]

I'd rather see if Horn can finally make it through a season healthy than ship him off for a 5th round pick or some sort of mid/late round pick swap (e.g. Okudah only netting a 5th rounder from Atlanta). He's shown to be elite when on the field and he's basically in the final year of his deal (I very much doubt his 5th year option gets picked up), so might as well take the gamble at this point. 

Those who are saying sure if he nets a 1st round pick, that has absolutely zero shot of happening. Okudah was a top 3 pick that played 25 games over his first 3 seasons and only netted a 5th round pick: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36159739/lions-trade-former-no-3-overall-pick-jeff-okudah-falcons

Edited January 29, 2024 by UNCrules2187

[PappyMay]

Unless we are getting a 2nd rounder for him i think we have to see what he has in him to stay healthy. I'd love to sign Troy Hill to another 1 year deal. He looked serviceable.

[WhoKnows]

13 minutes ago, UNCrules2187 said:

I'd rather see if Horn can finally make it through a season healthy than ship him off for a 5th round pick or some sort of mid/late round pick swap (e.g. Okudah only netting a 5th rounder from Atlanta). He's shown to be elite when on the field and he's basically in the final year of his deal (I very much doubt his 5th year option gets picked up), so might as well take the gamble at this point. 

Those who are saying sure if he nets a 1st round pick, that has absolutely zero shot of happening. Okudah was a top 3 pick that played 25 games over his first 3 seasons and only netted a 5th round pick: https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/36159739/lions-trade-former-no-3-overall-pick-jeff-okudah-falcons

Okudah was a disappointment due to his play, not injuries. It’s not an apples to apples comparison. A trade partner would only be betting on him staying healthy not betting they could get him to play better. I agree that a 5th rounder is a waste. It would need to be a pick where we could reasonably get an impact starter otherwise keep a cheap Horn and hope he stays healthy for trade bait (since he won’t be cheap) or extend him.

[OneBadCat]

He's more valuable to us if he pans out than if he pick up some scraps on a trade.

[KingKucci]

Hopefully he goes the TD route and stops getting hurt while turining into an elite player.  Imagine us giving up on Davis after his three knee injuries.  

[TheBigKat]

Package him and Burns to Detroit for two first round picks

[JawnyBlaze]

It’s only been three years. We still have two more to see if he can stay healthy before we would need to pay him a second contract. 

[Buckets]

Next season, Jaycee will be healthy and have an all pro type season.  Then one of two things will happen:

(1) Panthers sign him to a huge extension, and he goes back to living on IR

(2) Another team signs or trades for him and he's never injured again and goes on to have a HOF career 

 

There is no other option 

[DaveThePanther2008]

4 hours ago, rayzor said:

If someone would give us a first for him? Absolutely.

I'd even take an early second.

He has never been reliable. I don't see that changing. First round pick would be more valuable.

Less than that, though, ride with it and hope he quits breaking. I really don't see that happening though. He's going to just spend his whole contract here being talented and sidelined.

Most definitely for a 1st or 2nd.  Maybe a 3rd and a 4th or 5th.  Otherwise, as you said, ride with it. 

[DaveThePanther2008]

19 minutes ago, Buckets said:

Next season, Jaycee will be healthy and have an all pro type season.  Then one of two things will happen:

(1) Panthers sign him to a huge extension, and he goes back to living on IR

(2) Another team signs or trades for him and he's never injured again and goes on to have a HOF career 

 

There is no other option 

If he made it to the trade deadline without injury, I would deal him in a heartbeat for a 1st. 

[Leeroy Jenkins Ph.D.]

Reverse this and see if it still makes sense.  Lets say Jaycee Horn played for some rando AFC team with a decent defense, ;ets say Tennessee.  Would you possibly be interested in trading for him and bringing him to Carolina? If you would possibly give up a draft pick to bring him here, how high would you trade?  

So, in hindsight, the trade capital we would gain from him should exceed the pick we would be willing to hypothetically give up to get him from another team. Just a thought exercise. 

[tukafan21]

I'd do the exact opposite and sign him to an extension this offseason, and no, that's not a joke.  Sign him to a 2 or 3 year extension at around 8-10 million a year with it structured in a way that we can get out of it with minimal future dead cap hits.

Horn should want to sign it as it would be far more than he could get as a free agent if he were to have another injury filled season.

Panthers should want to sign it as it would limit the downside of the deal, but if he were to stay healthy, we'd have a bargain for a #1 corner.

Really would be a win-win for both sides, and if he can prove he can stay healthy, we can then sign him to a bigger extension in 2 years.  As he has no legit trade value for us right now to where whatever we'd get in return would help us more than he could.  I think at best, we'd be looking at a 4th rounder for him, and that would be the absolute best case scenario right now.