Jump to content

  • Welcome!

    Register and log in easily with Twitter or Google accounts!

    Or simply create a new Huddle account. 

    Members receive fewer ads , access our dark theme, and the ability to join the discussion!

     

Is this the worst GM/Coach combo in Panthers history?

TheBigKat

By TheBigKat,
in Carolina Panthers

 Share

Recommended Posts

Bear Hands Grand Master

Bear Hands

Posted
Posted
17 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You're off on your results, though.

In the draft where we had 11 picks, we got Horn, Christensen, Hubbard and Tremble, all still with the team and all made contributions last year except Christensen (who even despite that might be the best pick of that class). Others like Shi Smith put in some work as well (still surprised he didn't stay given he would have been perfect for a West Coast type attack).

As to how you draft badly, making it a collaborative effort helps a lot. In that draft we got Terrace Marshall because Joe Brady lobbied for him, Thomas Fletcher thanks to Rhule and others. Likewise, we later took Matt Corral because of Ben Mcadoo, DJ Johnson because Ejiro Evero wanted him, Kalin Barnes again from Rhule, and so on.

Fitterer's biggest failure was rooted in taking a too collaborative approach with everyone rather than just making the picks straight from the draft board the scouting staff put together.

Mind you, the one big "flipside" argument could be Stroud vs Young, depending on what you believe.

I'm clearly being a bit facetious here.    

Link to comment
Share on other sites
AU-panther Mentor

AU-panther

Posted
Posted
4 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sure, dude.

Pretty much everybody knows Rhule is a lying narcissist. Voth (who would have been there) basically called bullsh-t on his claim. But if you wanna try and defend Rhule on this one, good luck.

It's dumb, but good luck anyway.

what exactly did Voth say?

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
AU-panther Mentor

AU-panther

Posted
Posted

One of the biggest problems with this forum and certain members is that everyone wants to take everything so literal.

Some "connected" journalist states that Rhule had final say and then next thing you know everything was his fault and nothing was Fitt's fault.  That isn't how these things work.  I doubt Rhule is doing all of the day to day scouting himself and putting the board together by himself.

What is more likely is that Fitt and his department does the scouting and puts together the board and then on draft day Rhule does have final say.  It's totally possible that Rhule did throw out Purdy's name at some point in the process and its totally possible they decided not to have him on the draft board.

It's pretty clear he didn't like him enough to push that hard for him, because if he would have had the much conviction, I'm sure he could have made it happen.  

I'm not absolving Rhule in all of these draft day decisions, there is enough blame to go around for everyone.  My only point is the truth is usually somewhere towards the middle.

As fans we always want to know who to blame, but it's not always that black and white.  Even if the HC makes the decision he is picking from a list that the GM put together.  It's not like the GM is offering up choices that he thinks is bad.

 

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
csx Grand Master

csx

Posted
Posted
6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

Sure, dude.

Pretty much everybody knows Rhule is a lying narcissist. Voth (who would have been there) basically called bullsh-t on his claim. But if you wanna try and defend Rhule on this one, good luck.

It's dumb, but good luck anyway.

Defending and carrying water for Fitterer is easily just as dumb but good luck anyway.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
mav1234 Grand Master

mav1234

Posted
Posted
6 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

 

Fitterer's biggest failure was rooted in taking a too collaborative approach with everyone rather than just making the picks straight from the draft board the scouting staff put together.

I mean... What proof of this is there exactly? Because a coach wanted a dude? That doesn't mean that the scouts / Fitterer didn't.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mr. Scot Grand Master

Mr. Scot

Posted
Posted
1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

I mean... What proof of this is there exactly? Because a coach wanted a dude? That doesn't mean that the scouts / Fitterer didn't.

It was initially reported at the time of the draft picks themselves, but not in a negative way. It wasn't considered a defense, just a way of explaining how they worked.

Since Fitterer was fired, three or four different analysts have looked back on it and seen it as an issue.

And for the record, it's not a defense now either. Working that way was his decision. It basically worked out to drafting by committee (which is objectively a terrible idea).

  • Pie 1
Link to comment
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

×
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • PMH4OWPW7JD2TDGWZKTOYL2T3E.jpg

  • Topics

  • Posts

    • Steves89
      The "now it's been three years" Grade for the 2023 Draft

      By Steves89 · Posted

      Didn't  see this posted (since 2023) but since folks have been posting that you can't judge a draft class for three years (a ridiculous take), I thought I'd post this to see what people thought about the 2023 draft. Unfortunately this may not be the most interesting class to do this with but I do quite like retrospective draft grades. Would appreciate other's takes on this (and other recent) draft classes.   1(1) - Bryce Young QB: I am a bigger Bryce Young apologist than most (maybe all). I like the kid. But there is no way around it: This was a terrible pick. If he had been picked in the 4th or even the 3rd round I would feel pretty good about it. But this was the first overall pick that we gave up two firsts, our best offensive player to get.  GRADE: C -    2(39) - Jonathan Mingo WR: not much to say here here. He was here for two years. His yards per catch are on par with Bryce's yards per pass. Rough stuff. To date he has still never scored a touchdown in the NFL GRADE: F   3(80) - DJ Johnson OLB: a pick I hated as soon as it happened and an example of why the premise of this thread is honestly dumb. This was a bad pick when it happened. Most people knew it.  Then came training camp and he did not look good. Then came the preseason which confirmed what we saw in TC. Then came the season which confirmed what we saw in preseason. To date, he has half a sack in his career. GRADE: F 4 (114) Chandlers Zavala G: Honestly the best pick of this draft which really speaks to how awful this draft is. Other than Bryce, the only pick still on the team. He is mostly average or below average depth which in round 4 is not terrible. But he had a pff score of 43.5 and though I think people have unrealistic expectations for draft picks, I still would want a little more from a fourth round pick GRADE: C+   5 (145) - Jammie Robinson S: I liked the pick when it happened but ended up being a disappointment. He logged 1 tackle with the falcons last year and not enough snaps to get a grade on PFF.  GRADE: F OVERALL DRAFT GRADE: F  
    • Kuhndog94
      26 first goal playoff thread

      By Kuhndog94 · Posted

      You gonna make me post Stank before every game?  I kid, I kid. 
    • DavidEng
      NHL 2026 Playoff Thread

      By DavidEng · Posted

      Final Avs 9 Wild 6. Defense never entered the building lol.
×
×
  • Create New...