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Panthers Select Xavier Legette WR - Pick 32, Round 1

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7 hours ago, top dawg said:

I've been saying that for weeks too. That was always lazy analysis bordering on nonsensical, but I've tried to give them the benefit of being knowledgeable and sincere.

I dont compare him to Mingo besides measurables.   Hes a little older and not as tall but I compare him more to Shenault as far as player type.

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He is a bit raw, and we may have motion him to keep him from strong press man coverage--Tennessee managed to contain him--he caught 5 balls for 50 yards.   He was SC's only real threat, so he garnered a lot of attention in 2023.  According to his RAS score, he is impressive.  I think he will struggle at first, and they will experiment with how to use him.  He is good at contested catches and crossing routes.

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7 minutes ago, Billy Goat said:

Chances of a 5th rounder becoming a solid starter are below 10%. I don't really understand why people are butthurt over giving that up. Sure hate the pick, but the trade was fine.

Because hypothetically if you stay at 33 you can trade back a few spots and get an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder (which hit at a rate greater than 10%) and probably get the same guy you would’ve gotten by trading up. It’s short sighted and what has gotten this franchise where it is today. 

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People have to chill with shitting on Mingo so much you'd think he's the worst pick we've made in the last several years. It's just becoming a robotic take at this point.

If you're giving Bryce Young a mulligan because of the coaching and situation overall last year then Mingo deserves the same courtesy.

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5 hours ago, SmittysLawnGuy said:

Might as well save your time and switch. This is constant. I'll stay with the bums.

And being optimistic 'just because it's the pick' is a crystal ball as well. Every opinion is just an opinion at this point, full stop. If someone doesn't like the pick, the basis for that dislike is not automatically less valid.

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4 minutes ago, frankw said:

People have to chill with shitting in Mingo so much you'd think he's the worst pick we've made in the last several years. It's just becoming a robotic take at this point.

If you're giving Bryce Young a mulligan because of the coaching and situation overall last year then Mingo deserves the same courtesy.

Mingo was a JAG in college with one arguably decent, not even particularly good, year, and Carolina spent a high 2nd on him. It's an entirely different scenario than Bryce in terms of college stats, though I think Mingo sucks and Bryce's ceiling isn't much higher.

But this is the XL thread. Back on topic.

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A 20 year old raw measurables guy is one thing. A 23 year old raw measurables guy who wasn't even on the radar before blowing up in an extra COVID year is a completely different thing. The NFL track record of these extra COVID year guys is awful. Playing as a man amongst boys is a huge advantage that goes away at the next level.

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Just now, mrcompletely11 said:

2nd round is a 4 year deal.

Yeah I know that. You were suggesting if he can play he'll get a deal before the 5th year (like Deonte Brown) making the 5th year not that important. My point is if he was a second rounder who can play they'd be looking to extend him before that 4th year. The 5th year option gives them at least one year extra having him on a rookie salary. For a potential WR1 that's at least $20m in cap savings.

 

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1 minute ago, MHS831 said:

He is a bit raw, and we may have motion him to keep him from strong press man coverage--Tennessee managed to contain him--he caught 5 balls for 50 yards.   He was SC's only real threat, so he garnered a lot of attention in 2023.  According to his RAS score, he is impressive.  I think he will struggle at first, and they will experiment with how to use him.  He is good at contested catches and crossing routes.

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I don’t want raw out of my first round draft pick, especially the one I traded up for. I want a bona fide starter. And I’m so sick of RAS scores and S2 tests and other analytical bull poo. Look at the tape. If there’s any question about rawness or route running or footwork then you don’t draft that guy. Or at least don’t give up poo for that guy. 

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4 minutes ago, FattyFatFat said:

Because hypothetically if you stay at 33 you can trade back a few spots and get an extra 2nd or 3rd rounder (which hit at a rate greater than 10%) and probably get the same guy you would’ve gotten by trading up. It’s short sighted and what has gotten this franchise where it is today. 

Not waiting and seeing what deals may come and still get the guy you want all for a 5th year is so moronic I cannot put it in words. 

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5 minutes ago, frankw said:

People have to chill with shitting in Mingo so much you'd think he's the worst pick we've made in the last several years. It's just becoming a robotic take at this point.

If you're giving Bryce Young a mulligan because of the coaching and situation overall last year then Mingo deserves the same courtesy.

ESPN’s comp for Leggette is literally Jonathan Mingo 

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3 minutes ago, KSpan said:

Mingo was a JAG in college with one arguably decent, not even particularly good, year, and Carolina spent a 3rd on him. It's an entirely different scenario than Bryce.

TMJ balled out in college and we see what's become of him. Production or lack of production doesn't guarantee anything the right situation also makes a big impact for receivers. They can't throw to themselves.

Also some of this is due to Bryce himself and I have no doubt as the season went on receivers got fed up with it. Would you keep trying to go full bore if your #1 pick couldn't hit you deep with the whole defense behind you?

Hopefully Canales can fix some of these issues and at least get us back in the end zone more often. But we are still at the mercy of Bryce Young's physical traits. We'll see what happens.

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