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What Carolina Panthers can learn from Justin Jefferson contract


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6 minutes ago, Waldo said:

That's on the QB and staff at this point. If they have drafted a good QB then it could be a SB team. His deal is up before they have to pay the QB so it's at least a decent try. Cousins was a get into the playoffs QB so good for them moving on when it was obvious what their ceiling was. As long as they are not paying nonrookie QB contracts they have an extra 30 or 40 mil laying around.

Watching the WR market explode is a bonus. That model doesn't work when your paying a QB 40+ a year.

I'm not saying its his fault.  I'm saying having the highest paid WR is not a SB winning formula.  Just historically speaking.  Look at how the Chiefs prioritize the position.

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Patrick Mahomes is ranked #9 based on salary per year at $45 million. Joe Burrow is #1 at $55 mill. Goff, Murry, Watson are paid more than Mahomes. This is why the Chiefs keep winning because they know who to pay and how much to pay. They are getting great VALUE with Mahomes while some of these other QBs haven't even sniffed a superbowl appearance. 

Jefferson is a top 3 WR for sure, but he doesn't have the same impact as a franchise QB. I hope our Brandt Tilis hiring pays off. 

 

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https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver

Meanwhile. The talented wide receiver who just came off a career year with a QB who was jettisoned to a different team and whom we traded for our young franchise QB is 17th in annual WR salary. Probably one of the only things the last regime got right was signing him to that deal when they did.

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23 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

I'm not saying its his fault.  I'm saying having the highest paid WR is not a SB winning formula.  Just historically speaking.  Look at how the Chiefs prioritize the position.

The Had T Hill, Kelce and Hunt at RB when Mahomes was a rookie. They were also paying Smith the first year. The biggest difference is they had all those guys on rookie deals (holy hell lol) and had to get rid of HIll when Mahomes was ready to be paid where the Vikings are inversed. After watching what a team looks like minus their #1 WR and drafting a rookie QB I'm not that hard against it even if it's a ridiculous price they are only paying because they have the luxury and a great player. 

No contest the Cheifs and 49ers have the best coaching and rosters, one has a franchise QB and the other does not. It's always the QB first and then all the other stuff anyways. If you don't know you have the QB might as well stack the roster until you find one. 

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4 hours ago, Waldo said:

The Had T Hill, Kelce and Hunt at RB when Mahomes was a rookie. They were also paying Smith the first year. The biggest difference is they had all those guys on rookie deals (holy hell lol) and had to get rid of HIll when Mahomes was ready to be paid where the Vikings are inversed. After watching what a team looks like minus their #1 WR and drafting a rookie QB I'm not that hard against it even if it's a ridiculous price they are only paying because they have the luxury and a great player. 

No contest the Cheifs and 49ers have the best coaching and rosters, one has a franchise QB and the other does not. It's always the QB first and then all the other stuff anyways. If you don't know you have the QB might as well stack the roster until you find one. 

Best recent example of a WR carrying a team to a SB is Cooper Kupp.  Other than that, most of the Super Bowl winners aren't shelling out record breaking contracts to WRs.

Chiefs had an embarrassment of riches, but prioritized certain players to keep the SBs coming.  Tyreek Hill is an absolute game changer, but its not enough to drag Tua over the hump.

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34 minutes ago, strato said:

We’re fine, we don’t need to worry about some overpaid diva. We got us a point guard now and won’t need to be paying high prices for WRs.

It's sad TO and AB got people thinking every WR is a diva.

 

Nothing about Jefferson screams diva. The days of Diva WR's are gone. AB and early OBJ were the last of diva WRs. At least OBJ matured out of that phase.

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5 minutes ago, AggieLean said:

Well, we’re likely to be resetting the clock after this season or next on a new rookie QB, so there’s that. 

It's definitely a possibility. That said, hopefully Young shows he's the guy so the team can improve and focus elsewhere.

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6 hours ago, frankw said:

https://overthecap.com/position/wide-receiver

Meanwhile. The talented wide receiver who just came off a career year with a QB who was jettisoned to a different team and whom we traded for our young franchise QB is 17th in annual WR salary. Probably one of the only things the last regime got right was signing him to that deal when they did.

What non-rookie contract is better than Moore's?? Its the best valued one in the NFL. 

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1 hour ago, CamWhoaaCam said:

It's sad TO and AB got people thinking every WR is a diva.

 

Nothing about Jefferson screams diva. The days of Diva WR's are gone. AB and early OBJ were the last of diva WRs. At least OBJ matured out of that phase.

Come on man, I was joking. The target was not your non diva boy.

Show me without telling me.... 

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17 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Best recent example of a WR carrying a team to a SB is Cooper Kupp.  Other than that, most of the Super Bowl winners aren't shelling out record breaking contracts to WRs.

Chiefs had an embarrassment of riches, but prioritized certain players to keep the SBs coming.  Tyreek Hill is an absolute game changer, but its not enough to drag Tua over the hump.

Kupp didn't win them a SB, the Stafford trade did. No WR is carring a SB. Kupp just showd his QB wasn't it so they went and got it. Hill is proving Tua ain't it either but it looks like Miami will pay him anyways. I said it's all about the QB and then the rest. The WRs just help those QBs and should help the team evaluate their QBs. Purdy just failed big time and that is a stacked roster. If the Viks new QB can't be it with Jefferson then he doesn't stand a chance without him. It's not about the WR carrying the team to a SB but the WR setting the young QB up for success and making it easy to eevaluateif they are it because that is the most important part of building a modern SB champ.

They overspent but it was a luxury they could afford. If you think bringing in a rookie QB and letting your best WR go in the process then you didn't learn anything from the Moore debacle. If Young had a legit WR last year then half the BS about not knowing would be gone this year. I would rather pay to know then just hope. In a perfect world the organization could draft well enough to set up a Cheifs Mahhomes rookie cast or the 49ers but those are really the exceptions and not the rule, the dream I guess.

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