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Another, Another Bryce Breakdown

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16 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

And quite a bit of that was him never really tightening up his throwing mechanics until his arm was already shot. 

He said he bought too much into that Superman mentality on his podcast. I think that was another element of that. His arm was so fuging strong that he just never really thought he needed to focus on tightening up that aspect of his game, IMO. Well, literally not until his arm had already been destroyed.

But his arm wasn't destroyed due to his throwing motion, it was from essentially two hits / injuries.  Tackle to prevent a pick 6 due to a lazy Benjamin route in 2016.  That was the start of having to be on a pitch count in practice.  2018 TJ Watt hit after Cam had already adjusted his mechanics and was having his best year statistically speaking, although I remember even that year questioning if he can still sling it deep. 

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8 hours ago, Ricky Spanish said:

Very fair assessment imo. He threw with anticipation quite often and delivered some strikes but his mechanics and footwork made his already small frame a bigger issue in terms of throwing with power.

Also, seeing these breakdowns makes me realize why we moved on from Bozeman so quickly. Dude could not pass block.

Fair, sure.  Still not worthy of the #1 pick and still has major issues.  And you absolutely have to be concerned that for bryce to make a nfl caliber throw the conditions have to be optimal around him.  And those sacks around the 10 minute mark are just brutal to watch.

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35 minutes ago, NAS said:

But his arm wasn't destroyed due to his throwing motion, it was from essentially two hits / injuries.  Tackle to prevent a pick 6 due to a lazy Benjamin route in 2016.  That was the start of having to be on a pitch count in practice.  2018 TJ Watt hit after Cam had already adjusted his mechanics and was having his best year statistically speaking, although I remember even that year questioning if he can still sling it deep. 

Yeah and maybe it was more the hits than the wear and tear, I guess we will never really know.

I personally don't think it helped being such an arm thrower most of his career.

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30 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Fair, sure.  Still not worthy of the #1 pick and still has major issues.  And you absolutely have to be concerned that for bryce to make a nfl caliber throw the conditions have to be optimal around him.  And those sacks around the 10 minute mark are just brutal to watch.

Well, the thought was also that he would be broken instantly by his preseason detractors when actually the most physically impressive of all of the drfay prospects was the one who got so thoroughly broken in his rookie season.

Bryce certainly proved to be more durable than most anticipated but.....that's not a long term success strategy. Doesn't matter how tough you are, those hits take a toll.

He needs to learn to play smarter and avoid contact like a lot of the smaller NFL QB's do. 

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24 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah and maybe it was more the hits than the wear and tear, I guess we will never really know.

I personally don't think it helped being such an arm thrower most of his career.

It couldn’t have helped. He should’ve used his mechanics better and save the cannon arm for when you really need it. I remember in 2013 -2014 being frustrated with Cam for throwing it too hard on easy short completions.  We were spoiled 

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33 minutes ago, NAS said:

It couldn’t have helped. He should’ve used his mechanics better and save the cannon arm for when you really need it. I remember in 2013 -2014 being frustrated with Cam for throwing it too hard on easy short completions.  We were spoiled 

He had insane physical gifts. I used to complain that he didn’t immediately start fixing all that his first offseason and each one after and never felt like he did. Because I knew what that could do for him (and us). Next level. Which I wanted to see happen. A whole lot of people here just insinuated or outright said I was a F150 or something for criticizing him.

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2 hours ago, NAS said:

It couldn’t have helped. He should’ve used his mechanics better and save the cannon arm for when you really need it. I remember in 2013 -2014 being frustrated with Cam for throwing it too hard on easy short completions.  We were spoiled 

And boy did we not understand how good we had it too. Man, if I only knew then.

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Decent video - Bryce did have some great throws with anticipation....  But most of the time, he was just atrocious footwork wise, and I really do think he'd have been better sitting because he doesn't have physically gifts to lean on.  Hopefully we've addressed the rest of the offense and he takes a big step but I'm not gonna hold my breath.

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5 hours ago, NAS said:

Arm elasticity and arm strength are not the same thing.  There are some who have great arm strength but can't deliver off platform throws, sidearm, etc,  due to lack of elasticity.  I am concerned about Bryce's arm strength to deliver the ball when the anticipation throws aren't there and you simply need to fire a ball into a tight window.  Not sure that can ever be part of this game.  He does have good arm elasticity which is what made him special in college, throwing the ball on the move, that should serve him well in the NFL especially when he gets outside of the pocket.  My biggest concern is standing in the pocket, pressure in the face and not being able to set his feet will affect him more than others due to his height and arm strength.   

Except he lacks the athleticism to get outside of the pocket in the NFL. 

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27 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

Except he lacks the athleticism to get outside of the pocket in the NFL. 

When he got outside the pocket last year, half the time he looked at the available throwing options and just chucked it out of bounds because he didn't think he could make the throw or actually couldn't see the open guys in the first place

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