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Benching Bryce = Firing Rhule

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5 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

Went 7-8 in 2014 and went to superbowl in 2015.  Losing creates loser culture

When you already have a HOF QB and MLB on your roster, yes, you can try to build that winning culture by winning meaningless games.

But when you don't even have a Pro Bowl player on your roster, it's an entirely different story

Literally apples and oranges

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20 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

No, because we haven't actually thrown in the towel to get that higher draft pick since the Clausen season

We keep trying to win meaningless games and hurting our draft position, so how can we learn from something we haven't done in over a decade?

Prioritizing talent evaluation is more important than tanking for the #1.  Until this franchise figures that out, we have a much higher chance of wasting high round picks. 

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25 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I was against firing Rhule in season as it was only going to make us a better team in a worthless season and hurt our draft stock.

I was against benching Bryce for the same reason.

We're going to end up int he 7-10 draft pick range, yet again showing we can't even suck properly.  This franchise is going to forever be stuck in NFL purgatory, never picking at the top of the draft (unless we make a stupid trade again) but never good enough to actually compete for the playoffs.

You can't do that in the real world.

It not only screws over veteran players who are looking for new contract or playing out  their last few seasons but likewise short circuits young players who are trying to launch a career.

Add in that it guarantees nothing.

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Just now, WarHeel said:

Prioritizing talent evaluation is more important than tanking for the #1.  Until this franchise figures that out, we have a much higher chance of wasting high round picks. 

Again... we've tried that for the past decade since the SB season, it hasn't worked out in that entire time

That's what is so frustrating for the people advocating for "building a winning culture" or "evaluating talent" as we've tried it, it doesn't work when you just flat out don't have players with elite potential.

On our entire roster, DB and Horn are the only 2 players right now with legit elite potential.

Legette has very good potential, but he's never going to be a Top 10 WR in this league (which is okay, not every player has to be Top 10 at their position).

If you don't luck into finding absolute studs with mid round picks or build a nice base of star players with a bunch of Top 5 picks in successive years, you're never going to have a SB contending team.

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3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

You can't do that in the real world.

It not only screws over veteran players who are looking for new contract or playing out  their last few seasons but likewise short circuits young players who are trying to launch a career.

Add in that it guarantees nothing.

you're right, it guarantees nothing, but you know what going 5-12 or 6-11 does every season?

It guarantees that you're never going to have a contending team.

You become the Dalton era Bengals at best, and even then, you still have to get lucky on hitting on a non 1st round QB and a solid but not great coaching staff.

I'd rather suck and go for hoping to hit with our high draft picks for a few seasons than get stuck in NFL purgatory because I can look at the big picture and it doesn't make losing hurt anymore.

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5 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Worst take

And the same people who say that now will be the same ones complaining 5 years from now that we still can't find a franchise QB, have no All Pro caliber players, and can't see any way we contend in the near future... you know, the same place we were about 5 years ago

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5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Again... we've tried that for the past decade since the SB season, it hasn't worked out in that entire time

That's what is so frustrating for the people advocating for "building a winning culture" or "evaluating talent" as we've tried it, it doesn't work when you just flat out don't have players with elite potential.

On our entire roster, DB and Horn are the only 2 players right now with legit elite potential.

Legette has very good potential, but he's never going to be a Top 10 WR in this league (which is okay, not every player has to be Top 10 at their position).

If you don't luck into finding absolute studs with mid round picks or build a nice base of star players with a bunch of Top 5 picks in successive years, you're never going to have a SB contending team.

We aren’t far removed from evaluating talent. If fell off at approximately the time that Tepper inherited the franchise. So until we get some personnel in who can find quality players, your process is going to look a lot like drafting a QB like Bryce.

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39 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I was against firing Rhule in season as it was only going to make us a better team in a worthless season and hurt our draft stock.

I was against benching Bryce for the same reason.

We're going to end up int he 7-10 draft pick range, yet again showing we can't even suck properly.  This franchise is going to forever be stuck in NFL purgatory, never picking at the top of the draft (unless we make a stupid trade again) but never good enough to actually compete for the playoffs.

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