Just imagine

[strato]

58 minutes ago, TheCandyMan said:

Well that sucks.  Just rubs me the wrong way when select people dictate who can draft them. 
 

I feel you. But anybody could do it, only the stars are sure to get away with it. It's like having fug You money in a way. Because a regular player does that.... it's fug you buddy. 

[mc52beast]

What makes people think Manning will be a good NFL QB? Because his last name is Manning? 

[frankw]

16 minutes ago, strato said:

That team had more good wining regular seasons and so little playoff success, about what I remember. Schottenheimer, Turner... made no difference. 

Yeah those Chargers teams were loaded they folded in the playoffs because of Rivers.

His longest playoff run in his career was in his second season and they lost to the Patriots in the AFC championship game where he threw for 211 yards no touchdowns and 2 interceptions.

Rivers had all the talent you could ask for but in the playoffs he was just a choke artist. All the other statistical accomplishments amount to nothing due to that. But that's just my opinion.

4 minutes ago, csx said:

Rivers bested him in every statistical category. Those 2 SB wins were the only thing that makes it a conversation 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2872689-comparing-2004-nfl-draft-qbs-career-stats-after-eli-mannings-giants-retirement

Vehemently agree to disagree. See above.

[strato]

30 minutes ago, frankw said:

Rivers in his first two seasons as the starter had prime hall of famer Ladainian Tomlinson running like a madman.

In his first playoff game against the Patriots in January 2007 they lost 24-21.

Tomlinson had 123 yards and 2 touchdowns. His other back Turner also had a touchdown.

Rivers had 230 passing yards zero touchdowns and 1 interception. 🗑

Almost like Fouits. But Fouts is HOF. One year he threw 5 ints against Miami in the second round. Which I can't remember the WC era that could have been the championship game. I skimmed his wiki  a minute ago because I wanted to be sure he didn't make a SB. Then I saw that  about the one year and just stopped reading. 

[strato]

18 minutes ago, mc52beast said:

What makes people think Manning will be a good NFL QB? Because his last name is Manning? 

Yep. To start with. But he looked really good the little I watched. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

Y'all need to get off the Arch Manning hope train right now because that ain't happening. No chance that family (not to mention the league office) lets Arch play for any team that isn't on the "approved" list and you can bet your ass that ain't a list we're on.

[NAS]

8 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Y'all need to get off the Arch Manning hope train right now because that ain't happening. No chance that family (not to mention the league office) lets Arch play for any team that isn't on the "approved" list and you can bet your ass that ain't a list we're on.

Let’s start the list, who do we think is on it? Is it based on market or owner/ coach!

There are only a couple of teams he would hold out for

1. LA Rams

2. Miami Dolphins

3. Dallas Cowboys 

[X-Clown]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Yeah those Chargers teams were loaded they folded in the playoffs because of Rivers.

His longest playoff run in his career was in his second season and they lost to the Patriots in the AFC championship game where he threw for 211 yards no touchdowns and 2 interceptions.

 

I mean to be fair he was playing that AFC championship with a torn ACL and meniscus. Ladainian also got hurt in that game and Gates was also banged up IIRC. And they probably win if Marlon McCree takes a knee instead of letting Troy brown strip the ball out and gives Brady the ball back. 

[Pejorative Miscreant]

1 hour ago, csx said:

Rivers bested him in every statistical category. Those 2 SB wins were the only thing that makes it a conversation 

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2872689-comparing-2004-nfl-draft-qbs-career-stats-after-eli-mannings-giants-retirement

Hardware talks really loud though and I’m a Rivers fan. 

[jb2288]

2 hours ago, mc52beast said:

What makes people think Manning will be a good NFL QB? Because his last name is Manning? 

Has every physical trait, can make every throw in the book, best coaching and trainers in the world since he was walking, and yes the Manning name actually means something 3 of those made the NFL and dominated for some period of time so genetically something is obviously going for them. 

[TylerDurden]

4 hours ago, csx said:

Fine, Rivers was the better QB and the Chargers also got an extra 1st, 3rd, and fifth out of it.

Rivers may have put up sexier numbers, but even with good defenses and LT in the backfield for many of those years, Eli won two superbowls snd Phillip never even sniffed one...  so, not sure who won that exchange.

[tukafan21]

4 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

The Manning family will Charger us like they did with Eli

I said it a couple weeks ago, but I really don't think they would for a couple reasons.

The first is they did that with the Chargers not because they were a mess at the time, but because their owner had a long history of being cheap and didn't care about actually winning as long as he was making money.  For all of Tepper's faults and missteps so far, nobody can say he's cheap and nobody can say he just wants to make money and doesn't care about winning, it's the exact opposite.  

You can be sure that wherever Arch ends up, the Manning family will become close with the organization and help make sure things are done in a way they are happy with.  I don't think they'd be scared off by Tepper's past as they'd look at his willingness to spend money and desire to win as positives that they could use to their advantage for Arch's career.

The other is that I can't see a QB doing what Eli did in today's media age.

Look at the reaction that came from false rumors about Caleb demanding the Bears trade the pick or not take him.  They weren't true but people still went nuts about it calling him a diva and attacking him, imagine if he actually followed through with it in the way Eli did with the Chargers, social media would crucify him.

The Manning clan are way to media savvy these days to let Arch start off his career that way and be a villain in so many people's eyes before he's even drafted.

If the Manning's didn't want him playing for the Panthers and we have the #1 pick in 2026, they'd pull a Luck, not an Eli, and he'll just return to school for another season and make a ton of NIL money to do so.

[Champagnepapi704]

4 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

1 year.  He can just sit and re enter the draft.  If he sits for 2 years he can pick his franchise

Aye do me a favor and ignore me because I'm fs ignoring you. You contribute nothing. Good day.

[Anybodyhome]

11 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

because their owner had a long history of being cheap and didn't care about actually winning as long as he was making money.  For all of Tepper's faults and missteps so far, nobody can say he's cheap and nobody can say he just wants to make money and doesn't care about winning, it's the exact opposite.  

This is an often used, yet very misleading argument. There is no such thing as a team not making money in the NFL. Revenue sharing, TV contracts, etc. guarantee every team makes money every season.

On the other hand, yes, one can call out an owner for being "cheap," but I'd offer that you should look at their cap situation before making that declaration.

So, let's not confuse "cheap" ownership and how much money the team is making because they're 2 completely different things.

In 2023, the league set another record with $13B in revenue, working out to $400M per team.

https://www.sportico.com/leagues/football/2024/nfl-national-revenue-2023-tv-13-billion-1234786762/

The NFL’s economic model is the envy of every other major sports league, thanks to two main principles. The system benefits from a relatively hard salary cap that restricts owners from NBA-like spending that triggers luxury tax penalties. In 2023, the NFL salary cap was $224.8 million, with each club also on the hook for nine-figures worth of player benefits, stadium costs and team expenses.

The other huge plus is the guaranteed check from the league each year that dwarfs the cap before a team sells a single ticket, beer, sponsorship or parking space. The result is that every NFL team is wildly profitable and worth at least $4 billion, with an average franchise value of $5.14 billion last year.

Oh, and the team with the least amount of cap space as of yesterday, by some $2.6M, is the Carolina Panthers, with a mere $909k at their disposal.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/_/year/2024/sort/cap_maximum_space