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BREAKING: Panthers turning down trade interest in other players

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strato Grand Master

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22 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Yes overspending on talent for 1 win. That's not impressive to me. Given the limits it put on everything else it's not a win in my eyes. Also looking like Moton might be done at those prices with Ickey coming up for his contract next, who is really should be an OG. Seems more like an expensive patch and less like a fix. 

I am with you on most of that. Icky looks like a G to me, can he even pull though? He doesn't seem to be able to really handle the speed guys on the edge. 

But as much as I love OL and feel like it is essential to have that rock solid, that was lot of money for Guards.

When Zavala who was one of worst rookies I remember, can fill in and there is no disaster I feel like there was a compromise between his level and what we got. Could we maybe get two 50 million dollar guards and buy some defense? 

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33 minutes ago, strato said:

I am with you on most of that. Icky looks like a G to me, can he even pull though? He doesn't seem to be able to really handle the speed guys on the edge. 

But as much as I love OL and feel like it is essential to have that rock solid, that was lot of money for Guards.

When Zavala who was one of worst rookies I remember, can fill in and there is no disaster I feel like there was a compromise between his level and what we got. Could we maybe get two 50 million dollar guards and buy some defense? 

Ickey looks worse with young because he is asked to kickout way further than with Dalton. That opens up the inside because he is always looking to have to do that. He doesn't look to be a HOF guy but he is serviceable when the QB isn't doing 7+ step drops and bailing on clean pockets. Having the run game shut down also takes a huge dent in the improvement of that unit.

I love having talent on the lines but spending big on day one of free agency isn't really a recipe for success. Building around OGs isn't either which is why both made it to free agency.

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2 hours ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

With how big brained our front office looked with the Johnson trade, I am surprised they didn't trade Horn, Chuba, and a 2025 5th round pick to the Chiefs for a 2030 7th round draft pick

There's no way that's all the Chiefs would get.

Try:
Hubbard
Horn
2025 third
2025 fourth
2025 fifth

in exchange for:

2028 conditional sixth

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53 minutes ago, Waldo said:

I love having talent on the lines but spending big on day one of free agency isn't really a recipe for success. Building around OGs isn't either which is why both made it to free agency.

Overpaying for OGs was necessary when the FO was tasked with giving Young the ‘tools’ to be successful.  [sigh]

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3 hours ago, Waldo said:

Ickey looks worse with young because he is asked to kickout way further than with Dalton. That opens up the inside because he is always looking to have to do that. He doesn't look to be a HOF guy but he is serviceable when the QB isn't doing 7+ step drops and bailing on clean pockets. Having the run game shut down also takes a huge dent in the improvement of that unit.

I love having talent on the lines but spending big on day one of free agency isn't really a recipe for success. Building around OGs isn't either which is why both made it to free agency.

He gets beat to the inside also though. I may not have said that right, I meant he is out there on the edge and speed guys beat him. They just out quick him. One side or the other, they get him to commit and go the other way. I mean, they are strong too so it is kind of over once they get the jump.

I see too much of that for his draft position and future contract. To be honest. 

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24 minutes ago, strato said:

He gets beat to the inside also though. I may not have said that right, I meant he is out there on the edge and speed guys beat him. They just out quick him. One side or the other, they get him to commit and go the other way. I mean, they are strong too so it is kind of over once they get the jump.

I see too much of that for his draft position and future contract. To be honest. 

Yeah he has a limit when dealing with speed rushers for sure. Still to check off LT with a solid player is a win. Especially on a team desperate for talent. He has been solid this year vs last year. I don't think it's that bad but he needs to keep working for sure.

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Jfc getting rid of the few good players we have isn’t going to make the team better…Horn is a foundational player. He’s a top CB when he’s healthy and he’s proving he cans try healthy. No he can’t do it by himself, no one can. But as we add players to the defense, if we get rid of Horn it’ll be two steps back one step forward.  Chuba is an affordable starting caliber RB. No sense getting rid of him before we know what we have in Cooper. And if we can retain him relatively affordably then we should because it’s good to have two good RBs. A fire sale isn’t going to help us. It’s just going to make the rebuild take even longer. 

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55 minutes ago, Waldo said:

Yeah he has a limit when dealing with speed rushers for sure. Still to check off LT with a solid player is a win. Especially on a team desperate for talent. He has been solid this year vs last year. I don't think it's that bad but he needs to keep working for sure.

We were talking about the guards to start with I think. Kind of living in the past, too, prior to signing those Guard$.  He isn't the biggest issue at all but... if we have to pay him like top whatever LOT he loses some currency.

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