Serious question: Jameis Winston or Bryce Young straight-up?

[hepcat]

I’ll take Bryce he’s like 7 years younger and hasn’t hit his ceiling yet. 

[AggieLean]

I’m taking Jameis. Slang that rock. 500 yards and I’m still not sold on Bryce 

[SCO96]

Jameis is a true gunslinger! But he's also an INTERCEPTION MACHINE! I like what Aikman said about him after the game. He's like and amusement park ride when you watch him play. You're gonna have extreme highs and extreme lows. On a given Sunday he can light up ANY TEAM in the NFL, but keep them in the game with all of his picks.

If Jameis could cut his INTs in half,  statistically He'd be a top 5/top 10 QB year-in  and year-out.

[Day1PanthersFan]

Is this a serious question ?

Famous Jameis ain't getting any better , and BY has started showing flashes , almost like there is a chance he is who David Tepper thought he was 

 

[tukafan21]

For us right now this season, Bryce.

Who would I want as our QB1 next year?  Jameis, 100% without a shadow of a doubt in my mind.

I want to see us compete this year and grow, but I still want us to lose out.  It's what is best for the future of the franchise, we need to get the best draft pick possible right now.  If we win a meaningless game or two, we could fall from picking at worst at #5, probably 3 or 4, to falling all the way back to as low as 12ish.

Jameis could get us that extra win or two that Bryce might not.

Next year is about building up our players, particularly our young offensive weapons in XL, Coker, Brooks, and Sanders (hopefully T-Mac too).

Jameis is a PERFECT QB for a team in that situation.  For as weird as he is, he's a pretty good leader, which is needed with such a young team like that.  He's also fully capable of making every throw possibly needed and isn't shy to let it rip.  

Sure he will lose you games with his interceptions and some bad decision making, but he's going to pepper our young players with targets at every level to help them speed up their growth.  His blowing of games with bad throws won't hinder the development of our weapons, it will just cost us games.

Then depending how the season goes, you either go all in for a long term QB solution or do it for a second season so you have a ready set roster loaded with weapons and just need to slot in a QB.

If you do that for 2 years with Jameis to build up those young guys, you'd have XL, Coker, Brooks, Sanders all going into year 4 and hopefully T-Mac going into year 3.  Spend the bulk of our cap space and draft picks on defense over those 3 offseasons and that is a SB caliber team right there that just needs a QB.

That's when you make an all in trade like the Rams did for Stafford or Jets with Rodgers (albeit don't do it with a 40 year old).  Or you give up whatever it costs to move up in the draft to get one of the top QB's in the class.  Or you bring in a Free Agent like Russell who would thrive with a weapon set like that and if you've spent the 3 years building up the defense, that team is going to be in the SB discussion from week 1.

If you're at a rock bottom place, like we are, this is how you build a SB contender in this league from that position.  It's never going to be a quick fix with this many holes, you need to take a look at the long game.  

It's what the Lions did (albeit thinking Goff was their Jameis before he turned into their real guy) and they're now looking like they could be one of the best teams for a number of years.  

They built up their offense through the draft and FA from 2020-2023 getting Amon Ra, Jaemo, Gibbs, Laporta, and their whole OL except for 1 vet OT for a few years while their defense struggled.  Then they spent a lot of draft capital and cap room on the defensive side of the ball over the last 2 offseasons.

Sound familiar?  That's basically what we just started doing this past year, so let's see it out.  One more offseason of adding an elite offensive weapon (T-Mac) and then spend the rest on defense.  Bring in a strong armed QB who might cost us games in the W/L column, but will speed up the development of our weapons, then go all in for the QB with a SB contender built out.

I get that fans won't like losing games for a couple more years, but it's how you properly build up a franchise from the bottom.  

Edited December 3, 2024 by tukafan21

[KillerKat]

It would be smart to have Winston here to keep the pressure on Young and when he returns to the same ol Young, put Winston in for rest of the year.

[Ricky Spanish]

I prefer the one who didn't rape and or sexually assault anyone.

But I seem to be an outlier when it comes to that standard around here.

[Aussie Tank]

If Bryce continues to grow and we consistently get Alabama Bryce we've got our franchise guy. Earlier in the year I wanted Winston but that's when I though Bryce was gone in the offseason and I wanted an upgrade over Dalton 

Edited December 3, 2024 by Aussie Tank

[Aussie Tank]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

For us right now this season, Bryce.

Who would I want as our QB1 next year?  Jameis, 100% without a shadow of a doubt in my mind.

I want to see us compete this year and grow, but I still want us to lose out.  It's what is best for the future of the franchise, we need to get the best draft pick possible right now.  If we win a meaningless game or two, we could fall from picking at worst at #5, probably 3 or 4, to falling all the way back to as low as 12ish.

Jameis could get us that extra win or two that Bryce might not.

Next year is about building up our players, particularly our young offensive weapons in XL, Coker, Brooks, and Sanders (hopefully T-Mac too).

Jameis is a PERFECT QB for a team in that situation.  For as weird as he is, he's a pretty good leader, which is needed with such a young team like that.  He's also fully capable of making every throw possibly needed and isn't shy to let it rip.  

Sure he will lose you games with his interceptions and some bad decision making, but he's going to pepper our young players with targets at every level to help them speed up their growth.  His blowing of games with bad throws won't hinder the development of our weapons, it will just cost us games.

Then depending how the season goes, you either go all in for a long term QB solution or do it for a second season so you have a ready set roster loaded with weapons and just need to slot in a QB.

If you do that for 2 years with Jameis to build up those young guys, you'd have XL, Coker, Brooks, Sanders all going into year 4 and hopefully T-Mac going into year 3.  Spend the bulk of our cap space and draft picks on defense over those 3 offseasons and that is a SB caliber team right there that just needs a QB.

That's when you make an all in trade like the Rams did for Stafford or Jets with Rodgers (albeit don't do it with a 40 year old).  Or you give up whatever it costs to move up in the draft to get one of the top QB's in the class.  Or you bring in a Free Agent like Russell who would thrive with a weapon set like that and if you've spent the 3 years building up the defense, that team is going to be in the SB discussion from week 1.

If you're at a rock bottom place, like we are, this is how you build a SB contender in this league from that position.  It's never going to be a quick fix with this many holes, you need to take a look at the long game.  

It's what the Lions did (albeit thinking Goff was their Jameis before he turned into their real guy) and they're now looking like they could be one of the best teams for a number of years.  

They built up their offense through the draft and FA from 2020-2023 getting Amon Ra, Jaemo, Gibbs, Laporta, and their whole OL except for 1 vet OT for a few years while their defense struggled.  Then they spent a lot of draft capital and cap room on the defensive side of the ball over the last 2 offseasons.

Sound familiar?  That's basically what we just started doing this past year, so let's see it out.  One more offseason of adding an elite offensive weapon (T-Mac) and then spend the rest on defense.  Bring in a strong armed QB who might cost us games in the W/L column, but will speed up the development of our weapons, then go all in for the QB with a SB contender built out.

I get that fans won't like losing games for a couple more years, but it's how you properly build up a franchise from the bottom.  

Or Bryce Young is our Detriot Goff and we have our QB. 

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, Aussie Tank said:

Or Bryce Young is our Detriot Goff and we have our QB. 

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, Aussie Tank said:

If Bryce continues to grow and we consistently get Alabama Bryce we've got our franchise guy. Earlier in the year I wanted Winston but that's when I though Bryce was gone in the offseason and I wanted an upgrade over Dalton 

Bryce just doesn't have an NFL arm, everything else aside, that will always limit what a team can be with him as their QB.  

His max upside if everything goes perfectly for him is like 25th best QB in the league, why continue to hurt the development of the rest of our offensive skill position players with a guy with a noodle arm who is never going to be an even average QB in this league?

Trade him for the best offer, whatever it is, and move on from this awful trade/pick.

Just of guys who should be playing for more than the next 5 years, he's not going to be better than Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Herbert, Burrow, Lamar, Love, Tua, Stroud, Purdy, Dak, Kyler, Baker, Lawrence, Williams, Daniels, Nix, Jones.  That's 18 better than him right there and it doesn't include Richardson, Darnold, McCarthy, or Penix who could all easily be better than him.  It also doesn't include guys like Stafford, Wilson, Cousins, Geno, or Rodgers who are starters but likely not more than 5 years from now.

What's the point in hanging onto a player like that with such a low ceiling and a floor so low that hurts the development of the rest of the young players, when we might be able to get a halfway decent trade package for him this offseason? 

[Aussie Tank]

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Bryce just doesn't have an NFL arm, everything else aside, that will always limit what a team can be with him as their QB.  

His max upside if everything goes perfectly for him is like 25th best QB in the league, why continue to hurt the development of the rest of our offensive skill position players with a guy with a noodle arm who is never going to be an even average QB in this league?

Trade him for the best offer, whatever it is, and move on from this awful trade/pick.

Just of guys who should be playing for more than the next 5 years, he's not going to be better than Mahomes, Allen, Hurts, Herbert, Burrow, Lamar, Love, Tua, Stroud, Purdy, Dak, Kyler, Baker, Lawrence, Williams, Daniels, Nix, Jones.  That's 18 better than him right there and it doesn't include Richardson, Darnold, McCarthy, or Penix who could all easily be better than him.  It also doesn't include guys like Stafford, Wilson, Cousins, Geno, or Rodgers who are starters but likely not more than 5 years from now.

What's the point in hanging onto a player like that with such a low ceiling and a floor so low that hurts the development of the rest of the young players, when we might be able to get a halfway decent trade package for him this offseason? 

I've seem him layer it all over the field the last month with his ordinary footwork so yeah I think the NFL arm talk just helps you sleep at night. But I'm worried about his mental state staying strong in the long run for him to succeed 

[tukafan21]

4 minutes ago, Aussie Tank said:

I've seem him layer it all over the field the last month with his ordinary footwork so yeah I think the NFL arm talk just helps you sleep at night. But I'm worried about his mental state staying strong in the long run for him to succeed 

Exactly what you just said is my point though, you've seen him "layer it all over the field"

He can't drive the ball the way even average NFL QB's are able to do.  It limits the routes you can run, it limits the throws he can attempt and make, and it can lead to turnovers if he tries the throw and the defender is easily able to jump it.

I'll admit he's been playing better the last few weeks, but it's been against some of the worst pass defenses in the league and he still hasn't even been lighting it up, he's just looked competent.  Looking competent this late into the 2nd season of the first overall pick isn't a good thing.

We know what he is and what he isn't, get what we can, cut bait, call it a day.

[Aussie Tank]

13 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Exactly what you just said is my point though, you've seen him "layer it all over the field"

He can't drive the ball the way even average NFL QB's are able to do.  It limits the routes you can run, it limits the throws he can attempt and make, and it can lead to turnovers if he tries the throw and the defender is easily able to jump it.

I'll admit he's been playing better the last few weeks, but it's been against some of the worst pass defenses in the league and he still hasn't even been lighting it up, he's just looked competent.  Looking competent this late into the 2nd season of the first overall pick isn't a good thing.

We know what he is and what he isn't, get what we can, cut bait, call it a day.

He's turning into what we wanted when we drafted him. A first class distributor that can make off platform throws while evading pressure. What you do is get him better weapons. We never drafted him to be Josh Allen.