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Brooks wasn’t the worst offensive draft mistake the panthers made this year

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39 minutes ago, flagfootballcoach28 said:

Exactly this. Ladd plays the game at a different level than XL 

It's the same level of simple as Coker vs. XL. Excellent fundamentals which lead to more consistent separation and the ability to haul the ball in when it comes their way. XL has none of that.

This shouldn't be a surprise, these were knocks on XL coming in.

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16 hours ago, R0CKnR0LLA said:

Crazy to think we could have Stroud, McConkey, Frazier - 3 cornerstone players to build around for the next 10+ years.

Instead we took a midget QB, a stone hands WR, and a RB permanently on IR - and our entire college scouting department still all have their jobs.

There were changes in the college scouting after this years draft. Scouting changes typically happen after the draft.

One of the knocks on McConkey coming out was his last year injury history limiting his playing time.

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10 minutes ago, csx said:

There were changes in the college scouting after this years draft. Scouting changes typically happen after the draft.

One of the knocks on McConkey coming out was his last year injury history limiting his playing time.

And he will likely be banged up over his career in the NFL but will always be able to produce when healthy because he is such a fundamentally sound player.

This is the polar opposite of XL. His fundamentals are almost nonexistent. Those are things we have to attempt to develop. Sadly, these are the traits of a Day Three pick, not a first rounder. 

Once again, I very much doubt history will be kind to taking a halfcourt shot on a high potential, extremely low floor player over a polished, NFL ready WR.

I hope XL makes me eat those words but this just seemed like such a no-brainer move at the time. Same with the Frazier move over Brooks.

The only pick I liked in this entire draft was Sanders. TBH, he was the only one that came close to proving his value, for that matter.

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23 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

And he will likely be banged up over his career in the NFL but will always be able to produce when healthy because he is such a fundamentally sound player.

This is the polar opposite of XL. His fundamentals are almost nonexistent. Those are things we have to attempt to develop. Sadly, these are the traits of a Day Three pick, not a first rounder. 

Once again, I very much doubt history will be kind to taking a halfcourt shot on a high potential, extremely low floor player over a polished, NFL ready WR.

I hope XL makes me eat those words but this just seemed like such a no-brainer move at the time. Same with the Frazier move over Brooks.

The only pick I liked in this entire draft was Sanders. TBH, he was the only one that came close to proving his value, for that matter.

It certainly seems to be the wrong pick now. But things aren't always black and white. I'm not writing Legette off yet by any means. He has work to do for sure

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23 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

In a hindsight laden redraft, we couldve done this : 

R1: Ladd McConkey (WR)

R2: Zach Frazier (C)

R3:  Payton Wilson (LB)

R4: Bucky Irving (RB) 

R5: Bub Means (WR) 
 

I would have been doing back flips with this draft!!!  I can't even do back flips.

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This team has long had an allergy to the obvious pick. They take an XL and think they can coach him up to be the next megaton or DK. Brooks to be the next Peterson. Burns to be the next LT. They pick dudes and play them outside of their natural position. They draft for need, get desperate, pick the flawed guy, and the results speak for themselves.

They go to the store jonesing for a ribeye, the store is sold out except for the ‘manager’s special’ … and end up with a toilet of puke later that night…  whereas the filet that was sitting right next to it got some other dude laid. 

The obvious pick with no need of coaching up has done them pretty well. Moose. Peppers. Kuechly. Davis. Gross. Jenkins, etc. 

Sometimes obvious is just obvious. Consistently missing on first and second rounders gets them exactly where they are. Loser teams, devoid of talent and a revolving door at head coach. 

WR: Pick the guy who can catch the damn ball.

DE: pick the guy who can play the run well. Pass rush is nice, but playing the run is better. 

center: smart big guy who doesn’t miss assignments. 

tackle: good pass protector first. Run blocker second. If you have a really good QB and receivers that can catch, the running game will open itself up by default. 
 

It’s not THAT hard, right? Diamonds in the rough are usually only quartz. Stop picking up dudes whose flaw is THE primary skill required for their position, thinking that you’ve got some sort of magical staff.

Go BPA with the healthy guy who just flat out gets it done better than anyone else still available…. Except for a RB or special teamer. Yes BPA is boring, but it stacks the team with legit talent and men who can do their damn job. 
 

That’s what I’m going to call their reaches from now on. The f-in manager’s special. Break out the cast iron griddle, Montreal steak seasoning, and some avocado oil, boys. 

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It's crazy how folks on the huddle can draft better than our highly paid scouts.  I know I saw several mocks with the first 3 selections going Ladd, Frazier and Wilson like the above post.  Heck, one of them may have been mine.  It seems that the scouts go into paralysis by analysis.  Ladd might not be the ideal weight or height, it's tabo to draft centers high, Wilson had past injuries.  All that said, those dudes just dominated at their respective positions.

Our scouting department and Morgan need the K.I.S.S montra--keep it simple stupid. STOP overthinking it.

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