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SmokinwithWilly Grand Master

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2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

I hate it for her but love it for me. Jerry already has the big tent, he just needs a clown to draw in the crowd for the show. 

It's kind of like the old Faces of Death movies. You know it's going to be bad. But there's just something about it that makes you sit down and watch it just to see how awful it's going to be. 

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17 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

It's kind of like the old Faces of Death movies. You know it's going to be bad. But there's just something about it that makes you sit down and watch it just to see how awful it's going to be. 

And I will be laughing every minute of it. 

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5 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Deion in Dallas would be amazingly entertaining especially if the sell out to trade up for Shedeur and then draft Shiloh on the 2nd. Let's just go full bore nepotism and watch it all play out. LOL!

mcshay just did a great podcast of how that would play out.  Dieon would just tell teams he aint playing for anyone else so a team would either draft shedeur and hold him for ransom or they would have to trade up.  Not sure what a viable option would be for Dak as he literally just signed a huge deal

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43 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

mcshay just did a great podcast of how that would play out.  Dieon would just tell teams he aint playing for anyone else so a team would either draft shedeur and hold him for ransom or they would have to trade up.  Not sure what a viable option would be for Dak as he literally just signed a huge deal

I think the NFL would do everything in their power to try and convince Jerry not to hire Deion for this exact reason.

If you have a QB prospect that many think should be drafted in the Top 3, tell teams he will refuse to play for them if they draft him, because his dad was just named HC of a team drafting #12 and they strong-arm teams into not drafting him so he falls to his dad's team, it's going to create an ugly situation for the league to deal with.

Yes, I realize it would be a pretty unique and one off situation, but if/when it works, what would stop players from starting to do the same and refuse to meet with and/or play for teams they just don't want to play for?

Especially with NIL these days and many of the top QB's coming into the league already as millionaires, it will give them even more ability to say they are willing to sit out a year to re-enter the draft than play for a team they don't want to go to.  All it takes is for it to work one time, and then the next player to try it will make teams too afraid to draft them and risk losing out on their 1st draft pick for the year.

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https://atozsports.com/nfl/detroit-lions-news/hendon-hooker-could-potentially-be-leaving-with-lions-oc-ben-johnson-according-to-an-nfl-insider-what-the-lions-could-get-in-return-and-their-next-step-at-qb/
 

Who knows, rumors are rarely valid….

Ben Johnson may be favoring LVR because he could start from scratch (and bring Hooker with him who knows his offense) Wild idea, doubt it’s credible though but never know.

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5 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

https://atozsports.com/nfl/detroit-lions-news/hendon-hooker-could-potentially-be-leaving-with-lions-oc-ben-johnson-according-to-an-nfl-insider-what-the-lions-could-get-in-return-and-their-next-step-at-qb/
 

Who knows, rumors are rarely valid….

Ben Johnson may be favoring LVR because he could start from scratch (and bring Hooker with him who knows his offense) Wild idea, doubt it’s credible though but never know.

a 2nd round pick???????

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29 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

https://atozsports.com/nfl/detroit-lions-news/hendon-hooker-could-potentially-be-leaving-with-lions-oc-ben-johnson-according-to-an-nfl-insider-what-the-lions-could-get-in-return-and-their-next-step-at-qb/
 

Who knows, rumors are rarely valid….

Ben Johnson may be favoring LVR because he could start from scratch (and bring Hooker with him who knows his offense) Wild idea, doubt it’s credible though but never know.

I had a crush on Hooker.  Rather than ‘go get your guy’, I was content to take Hooker in the late first or early second.  Interesting that Johnson wants to bring him to LVR.  He must see something in Hooker.  Time will tell if he is starter material or just a placeholder who knows the offense until someone better can be brought in.

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4 hours ago, Bear Hands said:

https://atozsports.com/nfl/detroit-lions-news/hendon-hooker-could-potentially-be-leaving-with-lions-oc-ben-johnson-according-to-an-nfl-insider-what-the-lions-could-get-in-return-and-their-next-step-at-qb/
 

Who knows, rumors are rarely valid….

Ben Johnson may be favoring LVR because he could start from scratch (and bring Hooker with him who knows his offense) Wild idea, doubt it’s credible though but never know.

If the Raiders hire Johnson and add Hooker, I can say goodbye to my dream of us drafting T-Mac.

The Raiders really could go in any direction with their pick as they need so many things, but if they bring in an offensive guy like Johnson and then trade for an unproven QB, they need to help set him up to succeed in year 1.  

Yea, an OT could help there too, but if they do that, with their WR room being so weak, giving Hooker two weapons like T-Mac and Bowers would be great combo for a young QB to have at his disposal that I can't see them passing on him if he's there.

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    • SmokinwithWilly
      Dan looking at a new Conerback!!!

      By SmokinwithWilly · Posted

      Nothing wrong with starting to look for bodies early. It's a long injury filled season. I doubt we get through unscathed. 
    • Icege
      Adam Theilen said he came back to play with Bryce, and he expects the Panthers to surprise some people

      By Icege · Posted

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    • PNW_PantherMan
      Adam Theilen said he came back to play with Bryce, and he expects the Panthers to surprise some people

      By PNW_PantherMan · Posted

      I would also add that I think it's more than money.  AT has looked absolutely miserable out there at times, and there was a lot of speculation he would demand to be traded.  Personally, I thought he was a lock to be moved last year.  Maybe his hamstring is the only thing that prevents that from happening. The fact that he's not only willing to come back and play, but excited about it, really bodes well for Bryce.  AT is a veteran and he knows the game.  If he didn't have confidence in Bryce, I guarantee you he wouldn't be in a Panther uniform this year.  I'll take that as a positive.
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