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1 minute ago, kungfoodude said:

You are saying what I am saying, BTW. Those were all Raider sources and nothing close to Johnson. That was always my argument about that fake narrative.

Fowler, Breer and Russini aren't Raider sources. Also followed Schefter, Jonathan Jones, Florio and others. Don't necessarily try to post all the links anymore since it's become a huge pain in the ass 😒

As an aside, Aaron Wilson used to be one of the best national sources but he's fallen off for some reason.

For Chicago news, I generally look to Brad Biggs. Vic Tafur is a good one for the Raiders. Also Vincent Bonsingiore from the Vegas Review Journal. Those guys are basically the equivalent of people like Mike Kaye

A lot of what I saw from the Chicago side came from a local guy named Jacob Infante who was pretty openly rooting for the Bears to get Johnson but fearing they wouldn't. He's not as connected as someone like Biggs, but he was pretty active.

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59 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Fowler, Breer and Russini aren't Raider sources. Also followed Schefter, Jonathan Jones, Florio and others. Don't necessarily try to post all the links anymore since it's become a huge pain in the ass 😒

As an aside, Aaron Wilson used to be one of the best national sources but he's fallen off for some reason.

For Chicago news, I generally look to Brad Biggs. Vic Tafur is a good one for the Raiders. Also Vincent Bonsingiore from the Vegas Review Journal. Those guys are basically the equivalent of people like Mike Kaye

A lot of what I saw from the Chicago side came from a local guy named Jacob Infante who was pretty openly rooting for the Bears to get Johnson but fearing they wouldn't. He's not as connected as someone like Biggs, but he was pretty active.

Breer is saying Johnson had his eye on the Bears since last offseason.

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18 minutes ago, csx said:

Breer is saying Johnson had his eye on the Bears since last offseason.

I could not buy the raiders. NO ONE should want that job. Every team has a legit HC, young QB, and good defense. AVOID THAT JOB AT ALL COST!!

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3 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

It isn't debatable. The Bears have a substantially better roster, they have a potentially franchise QB on a rookie deal and a not idiot owner. Those are all advantages over Vegas. Literally the only "media" advantage was Brady as part owner but being a great player may have nothing to do with that. See Jordan, Michael.

I think you're being overly kind but that's fine to have a difference of opinion. I'm of the opinion that the Bears ownership while they are not Mark Davis they are not a significant upgrade either.

Now the roster is a different topic that has a lot of potential but let's not act like they have a franchise QB just yet. Caleb Williams was at times horrendously bad like worse than even Bryce when he was struggling and for all the criticisms of Bryce our locker room didn't fall apart like it did with Caleb Williams.

I get the sense some of you got a hard on for Ben Johnson and that's cool I guess but I prefer the Bears to be a dumpster fire I despise that franchise as much as the Broncos now. They can get fuged.

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Just now, Basbear said:

I could not buy the raiders. NO ONE should want that job. Every team has a legit HC, young QB, and good defense. AVOID THAT JOB AT ALL COST!!

Breer, Fowler and others confirmed Johnson had genuine interest.

Truth is we all say that sort of thing about teams like the Raiders, the Browns, the Jets, etc. But someone always takes those jobs, and it's frequently a prime candidate.

Even the worst team in the NFL is still an NFL team.

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4 minutes ago, frankw said:

I think you're being overly kind but that's fine to have a difference of opinion. I'm of the opinion that the Bears ownership while they are not Mark Davis they are not a significant upgrade either.

Now the roster is a different topic that has a lot of potential but let's not act like they have a franchise QB just yet. Caleb Williams was at times horrendously bad like worse than even Bryce when he was struggling and for all the criticisms of Bryce our locker room didn't fall apart like it did with Caleb Williams.

I get the sense some of you got a hard on for Ben Johnson and that's cool I guess but I prefer the Bears to be a dumpster fire I despise that franchise as much as the Broncos now. They can get fuged.

An article with some of the highlights...

ESPN Article sheds embarrassing light on Bears internal operations

The original article by Kalyn Kahler at ESPN...

How agents impact coaching searches, and why the NFL cares

Haven't read it yet, but several people are saying it puts the McCaskeys in a pretty bad light.

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15 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

An article with some of the highlights...

ESPN Article sheds embarrassing light on Bears internal operations

The original article by Kalyn Kahler at ESPN...

How agents impact coaching searches, and why the NFL cares

Haven't read it yet, but several people are saying it puts the McCaskeys in a pretty bad light.

4 GM's and 6 head coaches since 2011. Yeah I'd have to say that definitively sounds dysfunctional. And we should know a thing or two about that given our...ahem...experience under David Tepper.

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6 minutes ago, frankw said:

4 GM's and 6 head coaches since 2011. Yeah I'd have to say that definitively sounds dysfunctional. And we should know a thing or two about that given our...ahem...experience under David Tepper.

Apparently they hired several folks represented by a former Bear turned agent in Trace Armstrong.

As I understand it, the article talks about Armstrong having a lot of influence despite lousy results.

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We know Ben Johnson wants a ton of control over roster decisions. I'm sure Chicago relinquished that. 

I get it on his part. Caleb Williams has been the "Andrew Luck" prospect for years now. Not shocking that Ben wanted that guy. I also do think the Bears roster is a lot better than our roster, not that we should be comparing anyway. 

 

Here's hoping we make everyone of those deep dish mfers regret that trade. 

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I was a little surprised to see that comment above so did some googling... Apparently some analysts did label Williams as generational but the agreement was not there like it was for Luck and Lawrence. 

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5 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Caleb was/is a generational prospect? That's the first time I've heard that.

Bears Lucky Enough to Get Generational QB Like Caleb Williams - SI

Generational? Longtime NFL Evaluator Believes Caleb Williams is an All-Time Great Prospect - PFN

Colin Cowherd says Caleb Williams is a generational NFL draft talent - Yahoo

 

It's been said quite a bit.

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