Young's Epic Throw

[DaveThePanther2008]

I love this throw. By was having a good time yesterday. 

[MHS831]

While Tremble was wide open, it might suggest that Young is feeling confident in his field vision.  I think his first year was plagued by his trouble reading defensive coverage over the middle.  I realize there is skepticism, but all signs pointing North. 

I also found it interesting that he looked to the sidelines to grin when he made a play--is he thanking his mentors, or is he failing to connect with the players on the field?  Could be neither---watching for signs and usually wrong

[ImfromClayton]

I don't think he was bad at reading defenses as a rookie. I think he literally had a defensive lineman in his face within .75 seconds of snapping the ball. He wasn't reading defenses at all post snap. 

[Mr. Scot]

Which one?

(gotta say it feels really good that I'm able to say that in reaction to the thread title)

[MasterAwesome]

I’m not sure if there was a single “epic” throw all through his rookie season. Now there are arguably multiple each game. Our little man with the “big time” throws.

[CPantherKing]

A 12 yard post TD on blown coverage.

Tremble had no one covering him and he's the first read off the single high safety movement. This is an expected throw of all QBs when a single high safety cheats with no help 10 out of 10 times.

The only thing close to epic on this play is the play design on 4th and 1. A big heavy right formation (typically run or strong rollout); They ran Christensen on a crossing route to pull the CB left while having Tremble on a corner-post to pull the safety to the right corner. The CB gave high coverage to Christensen who was already covered by a LB. The CB was suppose to be in range of a post throw. 

 

[Joe Bear]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

A 12 yard post TD on blown coverage.

Tremble had no one covering him and he's the first read off the single high safety movement. This is an expected throw of all QBs when a single high safety cheats with no help 10 out of 10 times.

The only thing close to epic on this play is the play design on 4th and 1. A big heavy right formation (typically run or strong rollout); They ran Christensen on a crossing route to pull the CB left while having Tremble on a corner-post to pull the safety to the right corner. The CB gave high coverage to Christensen who was already covered by a LB. The CB was suppose to be in range of a post throw. 

 

And yet if CJ Stroud or Drake Maye threw it, it'd be yet another reason he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't mind people downplaying things a player does, as long as they're fair about it. So if someone says Young looked better because his line performed better and WRs got open, I mean, yeah. You just described Stroud's 2023.

But when a young QB on another team does something like this, it's a cool, super-impressive highlight and it's evidence he's better than Young; when Young does it, well, it doesn't count because reasons, and he actually sucks.

#noticing

[CPantherKing]

1 hour ago, Joe Bear said:

And yet if CJ Stroud or Drake Maye threw it, it'd be yet another reason he's the greatest thing since sliced bread. I don't mind people downplaying things a player does, as long as they're fair about it. So if someone says Young looked better because his line performed better and WRs got open, I mean, yeah. You just described Stroud's 2023.

But when a young QB on another team does something like this, it's a cool, super-impressive highlight and it's evidence he's better than Young; when Young does it, well, it doesn't count because reasons, and he actually sucks.

#noticing

You're not noticing though. Stroud had 6 career games in 2023 including 1 in the playoffs. He's fallen back to a level that's still above Young's best with 2 career games in 2024 with 300+ and a playoff game to come. He has 8 sub-200 games. He has 2 division titles with a 27.8% GWD success rate.

Young had 2 career games in 2023 and 2 more in 2024. He has a 21.4% GWD success rate. He has one 300+ game to his name and 17 sub-200 games.

Stroud had to slump to get to a level higher than Young. Young had to improve to get to a level lower than Stroud. Young has some catching up to do for him to be at Stroud's lowest point.

Excuses need to stop about Young's supporting crew too. He has Hubbard, Thielen, Coker, J.Sanders and XL as his top 5 targets. The top 5 targets are 80% of a passing offense. Who do you think is holding Young back? Who are you replacing?

In 2024, Stroud's top 5 targets have a 67.3% catch rate and a 52.9% success rate. Young's top 5 targets have a 72.3% catch rate and a 48.7% success rate. Hubbard is the one bringing down the passing success rate. Outside of Hubbard v Mixon after the catch, The Panthers have the better receiving unit. We're to believe the excuse that the skill position players and playcalling are holding back Young?

#noticebetter

[Mage]

20 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

He has Hubbard, Thielen, Coker, J.Sanders and XL as his top 5 targets. 

Imagine saying this like you proved a point.

[Mother Grabber]

31 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

You're not noticing though. Stroud had 6 career games in 2023 including 1 in the playoffs. He's fallen back to a level that's still above Young's best with 2 career games in 2024 with 300+ and a playoff game to come. He has 8 sub-200 games. He has 2 division titles with a 27.8% GWD success rate.

Young had 2 career games in 2023 and 2 more in 2024. He has a 21.4% GWD success rate. He has one 300+ game to his name and 17 sub-200 games.

Stroud had to slump to get to a level higher than Young. Young had to improve to get to a level lower than Stroud. Young has some catching up to do for him to be at Stroud's lowest point.

Excuses need to stop about Young's supporting crew too. He has Hubbard, Thielen, Coker, J.Sanders and XL as his top 5 targets. The top 5 targets are 80% of a passing offense. Who do you think is holding Young back? Who are you replacing?

In 2024, Stroud's top 5 targets have a 67.3% catch rate and a 52.9% success rate. Young's top 5 targets have a 72.3% catch rate and a 48.7% success rate. Hubbard is the one bringing down the passing success rate. Outside of Hubbard v Mixon after the catch, The Panthers have the better receiving unit. We're to believe the excuse that the skill position players and playcalling are holding back Young?

#noticebetter

[Navy_football]

35 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

You're not noticing though. Stroud had 6 career games in 2023 including 1 in the playoffs. He's fallen back to a level that's still above Young's best with 2 career games in 2024 with 300+ and a playoff game to come. He has 8 sub-200 games. He has 2 division titles with a 27.8% GWD success rate.

Young had 2 career games in 2023 and 2 more in 2024. He has a 21.4% GWD success rate. He has one 300+ game to his name and 17 sub-200 games.

Stroud had to slump to get to a level higher than Young. Young had to improve to get to a level lower than Stroud. Young has some catching up to do for him to be at Stroud's lowest point.

Excuses need to stop about Young's supporting crew too. He has Hubbard, Thielen, Coker, J.Sanders and XL as his top 5 targets. The top 5 targets are 80% of a passing offense. Who do you think is holding Young back? Who are you replacing?

In 2024, Stroud's top 5 targets have a 67.3% catch rate and a 52.9% success rate. Young's top 5 targets have a 72.3% catch rate and a 48.7% success rate. Hubbard is the one bringing down the passing success rate. Outside of Hubbard v Mixon after the catch, The Panthers have the better receiving unit. We're to believe the excuse that the skill position players and playcalling are holding back Young?

#noticebetter

Are you saying the Panthers have better receiving targets than the Texans? So do you honestly think Thielen, Coker, Sanders, Moore, Thompkins and XL are a better group than Diggs, Nico, Dell, Shultz, Metchie and Woods? You serious or kidding?

[CBDellinger]

40 minutes ago, CPantherKing said:

You're not noticing though. Stroud had 6 career games in 2023 including 1 in the playoffs. He's fallen back to a level that's still above Young's best with 2 career games in 2024 with 300+ and a playoff game to come. He has 8 sub-200 games. He has 2 division titles with a 27.8% GWD success rate.

Young had 2 career games in 2023 and 2 more in 2024. He has a 21.4% GWD success rate. He has one 300+ game to his name and 17 sub-200 games.

Stroud had to slump to get to a level higher than Young. Young had to improve to get to a level lower than Stroud. Young has some catching up to do for him to be at Stroud's lowest point.

Excuses need to stop about Young's supporting crew too. He has Hubbard, Thielen, Coker, J.Sanders and XL as his top 5 targets. The top 5 targets are 80% of a passing offense. Who do you think is holding Young back? Who are you replacing?

In 2024, Stroud's top 5 targets have a 67.3% catch rate and a 52.9% success rate. Young's top 5 targets have a 72.3% catch rate and a 48.7% success rate. Hubbard is the one bringing down the passing success rate. Outside of Hubbard v Mixon after the catch, The Panthers have the better receiving unit. We're to believe the excuse that the skill position players and playcalling are holding back Young?

#noticebetter

There’s not a Nico Collin’s on the Panthers roster.  

[Icege]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

You're not noticing though. Stroud had 6 career games in 2023 including 1 in the playoffs. He's fallen back to a level that's still above Young's best with 2 career games in 2024 with 300+ and a playoff game to come. He has 8 sub-200 games. He has 2 division titles with a 27.8% GWD success rate.

Young had 2 career games in 2023 and 2 more in 2024. He has a 21.4% GWD success rate. He has one 300+ game to his name and 17 sub-200 games.

Stroud had to slump to get to a level higher than Young. Young had to improve to get to a level lower than Stroud. Young has some catching up to do for him to be at Stroud's lowest point.

Excuses need to stop about Young's supporting crew too. He has Hubbard, Thielen, Coker, J.Sanders and XL as his top 5 targets. The top 5 targets are 80% of a passing offense. Who do you think is holding Young back? Who are you replacing?

In 2024, Stroud's top 5 targets have a 67.3% catch rate and a 52.9% success rate. Young's top 5 targets have a 72.3% catch rate and a 48.7% success rate. Hubbard is the one bringing down the passing success rate. Outside of Hubbard v Mixon after the catch, The Panthers have the better receiving unit. We're to believe the excuse that the skill position players and playcalling are holding back Young?

#noticebetter

CJ's best two games in terms of passing yards this season were 331yds vs. BUF and 345yds vs. JAX which had 181yds + 165yds in YAC respectively. Meanwhile, Bryce's two best games (298yds vs. TB, 263yds vs. KC) had 112yds + 101yds in YAC. CJ's done a great job of getting the ball to his weapons and those weapons have also (when not injured) done more after the catch than Carolina's WRs. 

As for trying to sell folks on the idea that Xavier Legette, Jalen Coker, Adam Thielen, David Moore > Nico Collins, Tank Dell, Stefon Diggs, John Metchie... idk about that one man... that's 495yds after the catch vs. 787yds.

[Joe Bear]

1 hour ago, CPantherKing said:

Young has some catching up to do for him to be at Stroud's lowest point.

Touchdowns in 2024:

Young: 21 in 12 games
Stroud: 20 in 16.25 games

Looks like Stroud had some catching up to do when it comes to scoring points. #learntonotice