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ESPN's All Quarter Century Team 2000-2025

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On 6/21/2025 at 4:02 PM, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

Ain’t no chance in hell C-Mac belongs on this list. And I’m indifferent to him faking injuries to get traded, I would’ve done the same thing in this sh*t organization. 

I don't think he faked any injuries. He is juat injury prone due to overtraining and general makeup.

There is no conspiracy here. 

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12 hours ago, frankw said:

I can't speak for others but yes I read it. The conclusions are based heavily around the use of the statistical metric DYAR created by football outsiders and used by ESPN for this article. It only includes players whose production began in 2000. But excluding HOF running backs who produced BIG in an iteration of the NFL that was not yet catered to making things much easier for offenses in order for them to prop up more recent candidates is rather absurd and seems like just playing favorites regardless of where one might fall on their opinion of the use of the metric in question. 

My feeling is they had to make it relatable for generations that came after the gen -x’ers. Can’t have too many old heads on the list. 

NOBODY wanted ANYTHING of AD or LT. Brees. If teams kept prime Brees from 3 or fewer TDs and less than 275 yards, in the dome, then Brees had a bad night and would make up for it the next game. Best field surgeon I’ve ever seen. Brady had the damn shining, but Brees was something else. 

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1 hour ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

Maybe faked was too strong of a word.  "Milked" may be the better way to call it. 

The term you're looking for is "malinger(ed)", and he didn't. 

I'm not sure why Panthers fans act like jaded ex girlfriends. 

The dude is clearly injury prone as his time in San Fransico also proves. It's not like he got to San Fran and stopped having problems.

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9 hours ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

Maybe faked was too strong of a word.  "Milked" may be the better way to call it. 

Yeah, I feel like that is even a stretch. I say this as a guy who argued vehemently against signing him to a big extension like we did. 

CMC is a great player and good person. I just believe the modern NFL is clearly anti-RB spending. We see outliers like Barkely that people like to quote but that is not reflective of the entire NFL's opinion on RB's.

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14 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Yeah, I feel like that is even a stretch. I say this as a guy who argued vehemently against signing him to a big extension like we did. 

CMC is a great player and good person. I just believe the modern NFL is clearly anti-RB spending. We see outliers like Barkely that people like to quote but that is not reflective of the entire NFL's opinion on RB's.

Oddly enough, the Panthers did the right thing trading CMC.  He was going to command a huge contract as a home grown, fan favorite and great player when healthy.

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1 hour ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

Oddly enough, the Panthers did the right thing trading CMC.  He was going to command a huge contract as a home grown, fan favorite and great player when healthy.

Also nabbed a wild trade price for a RB. People were upset but that was far more than he was worth.

Now, if you want to talk about how terribly we squandered those resources....that is unquestionably true.

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54 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Also nabbed a wild trade price for a RB. People were upset but that was far more than he was worth.

Now, if you want to talk about how terribly we squandered those resources....that is unquestionably true.

Our day 2 track record over the past 3 decades has been abysmal. We've had a couple of hits, but there has been far more head scratching than a bad case of head lice. 

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On 6/22/2025 at 12:08 AM, jfra78 said:

Leaving Smitty off of there is a crime

I love Smitty, favorite Panther ever, but this is a tough position for the last 25 years.  I don't think he is too far off the list but it would be tough to pick him over any of these guys without bias involved.  

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I agree with y'all on CMC - love him but over LT(2)?  Not sure I can agree with that....LT was a beast

But honestly they focused way too much on Peak > Career.  Priest Holmes had more TD's than Henry in a 3-yr span but not yardage.  And Holmes ONLY had those 3 elite years - Henry has had 4 (5 if you count 2021 before the injury) and his 2nd best was at 30-yr old.  Can't get onboard with the RB list man.

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21 hours ago, HeelsPanthersCanes said:

Maybe faked was too strong of a word.  "Milked" may be the better way to call it. 

Maybe you just don't like the guy, and is completely incapable of offering an unbiased perspective. 

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Love smitty, but can you put him ahead of Moss, Harrison, Fitz, Jefferson, Megatron, TO , Andre Johnson, Deandre Hopkins, Evans, Tyreek and several others not immediately coming to mind? 

Smitty only has 9 more career receiving TDs than Marquis Colston (yes, I know Brees). Colston never even made first team pro bowl. It’s painful to say, but he’s not even top 10 when considering his competition 

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