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Adam Theilen said he came back to play with Bryce, and he expects the Panthers to surprise some people

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13 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Where we tank in cap spending for the 2025 season by offensive skill position group:

QB - 25th

RB - 16th

WR - 21st

TE - 27th

Folks, there's PLENTY to bitch about with the Carolina Panthers but bitching about overpaying a veteran backup QB and a veteran WR when the entire rest of the roster in those positions groups are on rookie contracts... I mean... LOL

but...isn't that sort of highlighting WHY we are moaning about AT?  Right now our primary weapon (based on offensive reps, targets, etc) is an old slow WR who we overpay that doesn't really get open nor do anything with the ball in his hands. 

and we are at the bottom in spending in terms of pass catchers.  Maybe the front office shouldn't of arranged the roster so that it is only .....AT (debating retirement) and cast of unproven hopefuls youngsters.   

I mean, the AT complaint is really not about AT.  It's about the front office. 

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1 hour ago, CRA said:

but...isn't that sort of highlighting WHY we are moaning about AT?  Right now our primary weapon (based on offensive reps, targets, etc) is an old slow WR who we overpay that doesn't really get open nor do anything with the ball in his hands. 

and we are at the bottom in spending in terms of pass catchers.  Maybe the front office shouldn't of arranged the roster so that it is only .....AT (debating retirement) and cast of unproven hopefuls youngsters.   

I mean, the AT complaint is really not about AT.  It's about the front office. 

How is he catching 77% of his targets? How is it his fault that he's being asked to carry more of a burden than he should be at this point in his career. I already said it was a result of poor roster building. But for people to be mad about Adam Thielen for this is just misplaced. Don't be mad about an aging veteran signed to be a steady presence, mentor, and probably #3 option at WR on the field for not being a stellar #1.

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2 hours ago, CRA said:

but...isn't that sort of highlighting WHY we are moaning about AT?  Right now our primary weapon (based on offensive reps, targets, etc) is an old slow WR who we overpay that doesn't really get open nor do anything with the ball in his hands. 

and we are at the bottom in spending in terms of pass catchers.  Maybe the front office shouldn't of arranged the roster so that it is only .....AT (debating retirement) and cast of unproven hopefuls youngsters.   

I mean, the AT complaint is really not about AT.  It's about the front office. 

That's a much fairer point worth exploring as opposed to seemingly blaming him for producing more than what a team would usually want from a 34yr old WR. It also allows us to look at who was available then as well:

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The same season AT was brought in the team experimented with DJ Chark as the X. Would they have been better forgoing both players and signing Nuk for $13M/2yrs? Maybe... but I don't think that exactly changes anything about the final results at the end of the season. In fact, looking at who was signed (and for how much) makes the AT deal look even better in hindsight. $8.3M avg for a dependable, veteran slot... especially when also looking at this most recent free agency:

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Yea, the previous front offices whiffed horribly on building the WR room. Marty Hurney and Scott Fitterer did horrible jobs there. However, this is a different GM, HC, OC, etc. The HC + OC are WR coaches. If there's a time for the team to go young and develop, it's now imo.

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      Get any shot you can at humane society, so much cheaper
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