Monday practice tweets

[LinvilleGorge]

3 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

They say you can't teach size and speed.  And that's true.  But I also don't think you can teach someone how to play football at the NFL level either.  If it was that easy, these guys would be a dime a dozen.  The fact is you need NFL level football tools to make it.

There's been the odd case here or there.  Like Antonio Gates.  But he's one of a kind.  And the Chargers didn't pick him in the 1st round.

Yeah, there's a lot of guys on D1 rosters who are hellacious athletes but just aren't football players. They're just not natural to the sport. But college rosters are so massive that you can still roll the dice on quite a few of those guys and some will end up working out or you'll at least he able to find some niche roles for them. XL basically was one of those guys until he blew up and had a great final season as a 5th year super senior. I mean, he was playing in college at the same age as a typical 2nd year pro. You gotta grade that year on one helluva curve.

[CRA]

22 minutes ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

They say you can't teach size and speed.  And that's true.  But I also don't think you can teach someone how to play football at the NFL level either.  If it was that easy, these guys would be a dime a dozen.  The fact is you need NFL level football tools to make it.

There's been the odd case here or there.  Like Antonio Gates.  But he's one of a kind.  And the Chargers didn't pick him in the 1st round.

I mean you can….few teams are interested in a Josh Norman ride.  Before he hit that crazy season where he was arguably the best corner in the NFL…..he spent years in the doghouse being garbage. 

helps to be a later round pick too.  Top picks get no patience.  

[TD alt]

4 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Brother, Coker is ahead of XL and likely Renfrow due to injuries. One could certainly make a strong argument he has been far better than TMac so far. 

I think you are undervaluing him.

Watch this season. And watch that Jags crush of your continue to prove to be a very flawed off ball LB. 

One could make an argument, but I don't think it'd be a strong argument. T-Mac is a legit one. He put up those yards quickly and but for turning his head around quickly would've had a TD to boot. 

I've always liked Coker and never believed that he was in any danger of being cut. He looks to be an excellent value right now, and I believe one could make a strong case that he's our second best receiver, but I think some of y'all are going way overboard with relatively few snaps in a preseason game. Even if it's conceded that Coker was our best receiver last season, this season is just ramping up. We don't have the total picture, and that is even more true due to a lack of access this year at practices. It's still early, and we have yet to see X and Renfrow, much less Old Man Thielen in much of any capacity. The pecking order is still working its way out. We've hardly seen many snaps at all. Hell Bryce only had six throwing attempts the other night. That's nothing. September into October will be a much better gauge.

[kungfoodude]

4 minutes ago, TD alt said:

One could make an argument, but I don't think it'd be a strong argument. T-Mac is a legit one. He put up those yards quickly and but for turning his head around quickly would've had a TD to boot. 

I've always liked Coker and never believed that he was in any danger of being cut. He looks to be an excellent value right now, and I believe one could make a strong case that he's our second best receiver, but I think some of y'all are going way overboard with relatively few snaps in a preseason game. Even if it's conceded that Coker was our best receiver last season, this season is just ramping up. We don't have the total picture, and that is even more true due to a lack of access this year at practices. It's still early, and we have yet to see X and Renfrow, much less Old Man Thielen in much of any capacity. The pecking order is still working its way out. We've hardly seen many snaps at all. Hell Bryce only had six throwing attempts the other night. That's nothing. September into October will be a much better gauge.

Well, that is why I said watch this season.

[OneBadCat]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

I mean you can….few teams are interested in a Josh Norman ride.  Before he hit that crazy season where he was arguably the best corner in the NFL…..he spent years in the doghouse being garbage. 

helps to be a later round pick too.  Top picks get no patience.  

Just my opinion but I think Ron made the wrong call on Josh though. He could, and probably should have played well before that. There were games where could have made the difference.

[CRA]

Just now, OneBadCat said:

Just my opinion but I think Ron made the wrong call on Josh though. He could, and probably should have played well before that. There were games where could have made the difference.

Norman did play though.  He was super bad early in his career 

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

10 minutes ago, CRA said:

Norman did play though.  He was super bad early in his career 

Norman got put in the dog house cause he had a tendency to go rogue and took too many unnecessary risks early in his career (2013 bills game)

once he bought into the system, everything clicked

[csx]

14 minutes ago, OneBadCat said:

Just my opinion but I think Ron made the wrong call on Josh though. He could, and probably should have played well before that. There were games where could have made the difference.

He played quite a bit. He started 12 games as a rookie. Was demoted for poor play in 13 and started 10 more in 14. Its not like he's didn't get opportunities 

[razorwolf]

If things keep going the way they are now. IMO the WR order should be TMac, Coker, Thielen, XL, Renfrow, ?

[tukafan21]

11 hours ago, frankw said:

Well I am officially getting concerned about the OL heading into the season. Several guys nursing injuries.

And Brown/Horn two of our most expensive defensive pieces already limited or not practicing. I know it's early. I'm just saying. Not exactly what you to see all around if you're a Panthers fan who has long endured things like this as a yearly ritual seemingly.

Well to be fair, Horn not practicing right now to let his stitches heal up from a car accident isn't something that should be concerning.  Sure, you don't want him missing practice leading into the season, but it's one that once healed, won't have lingering affects or fear of re-injuring it, it was just bad luck.

[tukafan21]

9 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

If we get an elite WR, I can accept either but whiffing on two straight 1st round WR's would be a big nail in the FO's coffin, IMO.

At the bare minimum, TMac needs to be a good starter for 8-10 years as his floor.

I know it's only been training camp and one preseason game, but I think T-Mac has already shown his floor to be exactly what I said about him in the pre-draft process.

That his floor if he never improves his game, is as one of the best #2 WRs in the NFL, if not even still a low end #1 (i.e. a 25th-ish best WR in the league).

I think it's safe to say he's already established himself as our #1, and there are only a small handful of teams in the league where I don't think he'd be their starting #2 WR in Week 1.

Bengals (Higgins), Dolphins (Waddle), Eagles (Smith), Bucs (Godwin if healthy), Rams (Adams) are really the only teams where I think he'd be the #3 as a rookie in Week 1.  A few others like the Lions (Williams), Bears (Odunze), Seahawks (Kupp), Commanders (Deebo), where he'd be the 2b to start the season, just because they're vets and/or already have a year or two of experience with their team/QB.

And even having said that, I think by year 2, he's better than every one of those players (And no, I'm not saying he's already going to be better than a prime version of Adams, just whatever he'll be at 33 next year), and same goes for Kupp, but that's more because it seems like his body might be quitting on him in a way that hasn't happened to Adams (yet).

Edited 19 hours ago by tukafan21

[kungfoodude]

5 hours ago, tukafan21 said:

I know it's only been training camp and one preseason game, but I think T-Mac has already shown his floor to be exactly what I said about him in the pre-draft process.

That his floor if he never improves his game, is as one of the best #2 WRs in the NFL, if not even still a low end #1 (i.e. a 25th-ish best WR in the league).

I think it's safe to say he's already established himself as our #1, and there are only a small handful of teams in the league where I don't think he'd be their starting #2 WR in Week 1.

Bengals (Higgins), Dolphins (Waddle), Eagles (Smith), Bucs (Godwin if healthy), Rams (Adams) are really the only teams where I think he'd be the #3 as a rookie in Week 1.  A few others like the Lions (Williams), Bears (Odunze), Seahawks (Kupp), Commanders (Deebo), where he'd be the 2b to start the season, just because they're vets and/or already have a year or two of experience with their team/QB.

And even having said that, I think by year 2, he's better than every one of those players (And no, I'm not saying he's already going to be better than a prime version of Adams, just whatever he'll be at 33 next year), and same goes for Kupp, but that's more because it seems like his body might be quitting on him in a way that hasn't happened to Adams (yet).

He hasn't played a snap yet, so I am not cashing any of those checks yet.

It seems as if he is definitely further along than XL was in his rookie season but we will see if he can develop that chemistry adequately with Bryce.

I hope so. He is the guy I wanted and we just simply need to eventually get one of these drafts right.

[tukafan21]

2 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

He hasn't played a snap yet, so I am not cashing any of those checks yet.

It seems as if he is definitely further along than XL was in his rookie season but we will see if he can develop that chemistry adequately with Bryce.

I hope so. He is the guy I wanted and we just simply need to eventually get one of these drafts right.

I get that, but given his college production, his actual skill set, and what he's shown in camp, he really just seems like the only way he doesn't at least play to his floor is if he can't stay healthy or he just gets a huge head and stops putting in the effort, the latter of which I don't see happening.

So hopefully he stays healthy (knock on wood), but there's unfortunately no way of predicting health, you can really only predict a player not able to stay healthy if they already had problems doing so in college.

[shaqattaq]

yikes. Lewis and Zavala are banged up. That ain't good.