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What a real offensive guru looks like


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everyone needs to legit just take a deep breath.  This preseason does feel a bit different, we know our O-line is better than what we showed, We saw it, open the run, open the game and we're cookin.  Besides, as others have said, Brad Idzik is calling plays preseason, its allowing him to learn as a playcaller as much as anything but Canales will call the plays during the season.  Lets get to week one before we chicken little the fug out of legitimately EVERYTHING.  

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4 hours ago, NAS said:

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— 38 points
— 528 total yards
— 31 first downs
— 9-for-16 on third down

Dude, what would Canales look like with Caleb Williams, Tyson Bagent, DJ Moore, Egbuka (or the other OSU receiver), Luther Burden, Loveland, their offensive line to include Thuney, etc.

what should have been telling to us, as fans, is when Ben Johnson turned the Carolina job down. If Bryce was such a progeny, he would have jumped at the opportunity to come here like he did to go to Chicago. 

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6 minutes ago, CRA said:

I have long liked that Bears backup QB, Bagent.  

Why we don't have something legit in the works just in case remains malpractice. 

Can we have him in place as the starter? Or trade for Sanders? I think Sanders has a lot of potential if he can sit for a year, and with his work ethic, a year in an NFL building is all I think he will need. 

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22 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

Fair to say Idzik won't be getting much regular season chances at it again lol.  

yeah, but Canales is literally listening to the whole thing going down and greenlighting it.  I mean, if Canales thought a better approach was needed, that's sort of his job. 

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3 hours ago, CPcavedweller said:

Dude, what would Canales look like with Caleb Williams, Tyson Bagent, DJ Moore, Egbuka (or the other OSU receiver), Luther Burden, Loveland, their offensive line to include Thuney, etc.

what should have been telling to us, as fans, is when Ben Johnson turned the Carolina job down. If Bryce was such a progeny, he would have jumped at the opportunity to come here like he did to go to Chicago. 

Personnel isn’t the issue, I will let you guess why else he may have turned down the job? What has been the one constant since 2018?

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