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Week 1 - Panthers @ Jaguars (practice tweets, news articles, videos, etc)


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57 minutes ago, bandu said:

I think you will see Travis Hunter more on offense than defense this season .Liam Coen seems to be really impressed  w/ TH as a WR moreso than a CB 

you kind of have to pick one side or the other. if you play him both ways it will lead to fatigue & higher risks of injury.

& it's not going to be easy to defend Brian Thomas Jr. & Travis Hunter at the same time on offense.if so , it's going to take a really good secondary to keep those two from scoring ...just saying 

 

I am in the "he is a CB" camp. I am just not sure he is special at WR. He is at CB.

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1 hour ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

Gotta have bad cops in the locker room if the coaching staff is kumbaya.  Seattle's championship team did.
 

 

 

Right. His style has always come across as someone accustomed to being the “good cop” to Pete Carol’s and Richard Sherman’s “bad cop”.

Great for an assistant. Not good for a HC.

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John Kosko of Pro Football Focus looked at every starting quarterback in the NFL and what would be each signed-caller’s biggest weakness. When it came to Young, Kosko pointed to disguised coverage.

“Forty-one NFL quarterbacks faced at least 100 drop backs where the defense disguised their coverage in 2024, and Young ranked 41st in PFF overall grade on such plays (53.4).”

“A disguised coverage,” explained Kosko, “is defined as the safeties showing a one-high coverage look pre-snap and rotating to a two-high coverage shell post-snap, or showing a two-high coverage pre-snap and rotating to a one-high coverage post-snap. On the other hand, Young owned a seventh-ranked 83.7 PFF overall grade with no coverage disguises. It’s clear to see where the former No. 1 overall pick struggles in the NFL.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/pff-reveals-panthers-qb-bryce-young-s-most-glaring-weakness-01k45kvx7fx9

 

Didn't post to bash on Bryce more than we already have, but this is something I will be watching for this season. 

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Charlotte Observer article round-up

  • Discovering the meaning behind Carolina Panthers players’ jersey numbers
    • Trevon Moehrig used to wear #14 because that's what his mom wore during her days as an athlete before halving it to make #7 because he wanted to forge his own legacy and because #7 is "the number of completeness." Wore #17 at TCU before switching to #7 at the end of the season and was #25 for the Raiders since Zay Jones had #7 and 2 + 5 = 7.
    • Hunter Renfrow was given #13 at Clemson due to being compared to former Tigers slot receivers Adam Humphries and Tyler Grisham after originally being #35.
    • Lathan Ransom wore #8 at Ohio State and had originally worn #12 when he got there, but now wears #22 in an ode to his father. He always liked the nickname "Deuce Deuce" and his father wore #4, so 2 + 2 = 4.
    • Trevin Wallace desperately wanted to wear #32 while Christian Rozeboom has worn #56 since entering the league, so they swapped. Wallace had worn #32 since before high school (his father had chosen #32 for him as a child after a night of prayer). Rozeboom grew partial to #56 after winning the Super Bowl with the Rams after being signed as a UDFA.
    • Taylor Moton had worn #60 throughout his early football career but switched to #72 in college to honour his grandfather who wore the latter at Winston-Salem State. The #60 jersey was big enough to fit him back then, but when he got to college he was able to get #72 in his size and made the switch.
    • Tetairoa McMillan wore #11 in eighth grade but it wasn't available in high school, so he went with #4 which he stuck with at Arizona all the way through to now with the Panthers.
    • Rico Dowdle started as #23 at South Carolina but switched to #5 which he had throughout his first three years of high school in Asheville. After playing under #34 and #23 in Dallas, Dowdle made the switch back to #5 when arriving in Carolina.
    • Ryan Fitzgerald switched to #10, his grandfather's number in high school after wearing #88 at Florida State  which was his father's number in high school.
    • Nic Scourton wore #11 playing high school basketball and at Texas A&M, but had worn #5 at Purdue (which Dowdle wears now).
    • Bam Martin-Scott was given #57 by the team in May, but his grandmother was born in 1957 so he took it as a sign from her.
    • Derrick Brown wore #90 in high school and #5 in college. Since DL aren't allowed to wear single-diti numbers and Julius Peppers wore #90, DB said, "I wasn't getting to wear that, so I wear 95."
  • Who will be the Carolina Panthers’ ‘X factor’ in Week 1? Plus a Jaguars preview
    • W-L record?
      • Kaye: 7-10
        • Thinks the loss of AT could cost CAR an early game that comes down to the wire. Overall team feels improved and worthy of contention beyond the first month. Finishing 9-8 wouldn't be a major shocker, but it also won't be easy.
      • Zietlow: 8-9
        • Has touted 7-10 all offseason but Mike stole it from him. Is buying the unrelenting hope that Canales seems to carry. Team should be explosive enough on offense and competent enough on defense to be in every game it plays (sans Buffalo). Going 3-1 to start and finding a way to win five more is possible.
      • Fowler: 6-11
        • Felt better about things before Carolina lost all three preseason games being outscored 69-23. Feels that the losses point out the Panthers' problematic lack of depth at a number of key positions and that the team is preparing for a long haul with 11 rookies on the roster rather than readying to win a lot this season.
    • Offensive MVP?
      • Kaye: Chuba
        • The focal point of the offense and with Thielen gone he's the move proven offensive playmaker on the roster that Canales, Young, and the offense will need to continue leaning on.
      • Zietlow: Bryce
        • Projects 3,500 passing yards, 15 TDs, and less than 7 INTs with a returning OL and deep receiver corps.
      • Fowler: TMac
        • Believes that with his ability to go up and get it, TMac (not Tet!) will emerge as Bryce's #1 WR within the first month of the season with the AT trade clearing the way for more touches.
    • Defensive MVP?
      • Kaye: Jaycee
        • Thinks Jaycee will show more versatility in 2025 and that if he can boost his INTs then his profile will elevate nationally (and the Panthers will get a few more wins).
      • Zietlow: Trevin
        • Thinks Wallace will lead the team in tackles as well as blitz more to help the pass rush.
      • Fowler: DB
        • Back from injury and likely to earn another Pro Bowl nod.
      • Rookie of the Year?
        • Kaye: TMac
          • Expect plenty of targets for the rookie.
        • Zietlow: Scourton
          • Flashed already a few times in preseason at a premium position that can be a force against the run and pass. Can potentially get six sacks in his rookie season while also playing his way into being a starter by the back half of the season.
        • Fowler: TMac
          • Picked him for offensive MVP, so he's gotta pick him for rookie of the year as well. Runner-up? Lathan Ransom. Expects him to take over the other starting safety position by midseason.
      • What will be the biggest surprise?
        • Kaye: The running game will continue to drive the offense.
          • Has the most faith in Hubbard/Dowdle/Etienne as weapons fo rthe offense. OL can run block well. TMac is a talented unknown and XL has a lot to prove still. TE Sanders had a great summer but it still adjusting to being a top weapon in an NFL offense. Also questions the sustainability of Young's performance down the stretch last season.
        • Zietlow: The Panthers will be able to stop the run.
          • After giving up 3,057 rushing yards last season (32nd in the league, third-most in NFL history), Alex is betting on the DL of Turk/ARob/DB + Moehrig to plug opposing run games. Goes on to say that the Panthers won't allow over 2,000yds rushing in 2025, which would put them around a top-12 to top-15 defense in that category.
        • Fowler: The emergence of Brycen Tremayne
          • Seemed to make a play at every practice. Not fast, but big (6-4, 212lbs) that will be inactive early in the season or at least only playing special teams. Could make some big-time plays though subbing in for an injured player and could even get some early with Coker out.
      • Who wins the NFC South?
        • Kaye: Bucs
          • Thinks the gap is starting to close between TB and the rest of the division, plus the Bucs are on their fourth OC in as many years. 
        • Zietlow: Bucs
          • Saints are in rebuilding mode, Falcons have some upside but still have a young QB + HC in his season season, and the Panthers aren't quite ready et.
        • Fowler: Falcons
          • Was going to pick the Bucs, but wanted to have fun since the other two had picked them.
  • Why it was the Carolina Panthers or ‘probably nowhere else’ for Hunter Renfrow
    • Covers the story of Hunter Renfrow being cut and called back up. Also covered is Icky's emergency appendectomy, the captains vote, and some quick hits:
      • DLew back
      • Fitzgerald number change
      • Monday's practice and the highlight throw from Bryce to XL
      • TMac was named to the Arizona Wildcats' Ring of Honor during the opening weekend of college football.
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2 hours ago, CarolinaLivin said:

John Kosko of Pro Football Focus looked at every starting quarterback in the NFL and what would be each signed-caller’s biggest weakness. When it came to Young, Kosko pointed to disguised coverage.

“Forty-one NFL quarterbacks faced at least 100 drop backs where the defense disguised their coverage in 2024, and Young ranked 41st in PFF overall grade on such plays (53.4).”

“A disguised coverage,” explained Kosko, “is defined as the safeties showing a one-high coverage look pre-snap and rotating to a two-high coverage shell post-snap, or showing a two-high coverage pre-snap and rotating to a one-high coverage post-snap. On the other hand, Young owned a seventh-ranked 83.7 PFF overall grade with no coverage disguises. It’s clear to see where the former No. 1 overall pick struggles in the NFL.”

https://www.si.com/nfl/panthers/pff-reveals-panthers-qb-bryce-young-s-most-glaring-weakness-01k45kvx7fx9

 

Didn't post to bash on Bryce more than we already have, but this is something I will be watching for this season. 

Brett Kollman recently did a video highlighting this which is a pretty good watch imo

 

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39 minutes ago, Icege said:

Brett Kollman recently did a video highlighting this which is a pretty good watch imo

I like Kollman. He's good at explaining things to novices, like myself, without making me feel dumb. This piece provides insight into the move away from FS and SS towards more of a hybrid safety position, Lord knows we had our share of discussion about that on this board during the offseason. 

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22 hours ago, bandu said:

i am not sure I understand how this is supposed to be an easy win? the Jags have a much better team on paper than the Panthers & Liam Coen had one of the best offenses in the NFL last season with basically the same group of guys on offense that Canales had with a 20 ish ranked offense  ...just saying 

Making poo up? The Jags offense scored two LESS PPG than we did last year, As much as it pains me to say I i believe Josh Grizzard who called Tampas 3rd down plays last year (converted league high 50.3%) had a lot more to do with that then Coen. 

 

 

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Jags Offense vs. our Defense:

The Jaguars are finally positioned on offense to make noise this season if their OL holds up.  They have an interesting committee RB group and BTJ/Hunter/Dyami/Strange are decent as Trevor's main targets.  BTJ vs. Horn will be a battle.  This could be a season where he breaks into elite status.  But if Horn holds him in check, Hunter operating in space could be what kills us with our LBs.  Bigbsy and Strange could have a sneaky splash to start the season given the matchups as well.      

Their OL is vulnerable but one of our many weak spots is that front-7.  This should be an interesting test to see how much pressure we can generate against an unspectacular OL.  If we can get pressure without sending a platoon, then maybe our defense surprises game 1.  Everyone will look to our young guys, but it is highly dependent on Brown, Wonnum, and A'Shawn hitting the ground running as vets who should be no questions asked making noise.  Our LBs worry the crap out of me.  

Jags Defense vs. our offense:

Hines-Allen and Walker are their guys.  Productive, exciting, but not that elite tier IMO.  Their defense just had a big makeover; new scheme, coming off a terrible 2024.  Their interior DL is meh, the secondary is a mix of new young guys and patchwork journeymen.  This is game one, but we cannot, and I stress, CANNOT look like this limp offense that can't move the ball downfield.  This should be a game where we can gain 4.5 YPC and methodically work against a mediocre defense with a ton of new parts.  McMillan should get a healthy target share, I expect JT to get some good work in as well.   

Expectations:

If we seem stagnant in this with a sub-200 passing yard type day, it would be a bad sign to me.  I would like to see at least 2 offensive touchdowns.  If we can get around 23-27 points, I think we could squeak this out.  This is a beatable team.  New coach, new defense, not the best secondary even with Hunter's whole shtick coming in.  

Prediction:  

Jaguars 24 Panthers 18

 

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17 minutes ago, PantherChris said:

Making poo up? The Jags offense scored two LESS PPG than we did last year, As much as it pains me to say I i believe Josh Grizzard who called Tampas 3rd down plays last year (converted league high 50.3%) had a lot more to do with that then Coen. 

Jags scored 18.8 PPG last year we scored 20.1

Overall YPG they had 306.2 we had 298. The gap for that difference was in the passing game. While we ran the ball better than them they averaged 204.5 passing YPG while we averaged 187.5.

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Processing Blue with Mike Kaye & Alex Zietlow

 

NFL Spotlight with Ari Meirov (guest: Brad Idzik)

 

Weekend Warriors ep.20: Our Changing World

 

2015 Roundtable - Carolina Legends Look Back

 

The Panthers Huddle: Getting to Work

 

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