Dan Orlovsky on Bryce Young

[PadresPanthersFan]

3 hours ago, frankw said:

Okay so he and we are acknowledging that Bryce is still making mistakes and not recognizing basic coverages in his third season. So what does he do to prepare? Remember before the draft the entire hype around him revolved around not only his ability to improvise when the play breaks down on the field but his dedication to preparation off the field in the film room. So if all of this is happening and his footwork is still anywhere between mediocre and horrific in any given play what is he doing in the offseason and in between games? This and his elite processing was supposed to be his key selling point. Then leadership was the sprinkle on top and let's be honest that's lacking at best too. So what is it that Bryce Young excels at in any phase of the game right now?....

Hes great at getting us top 10 picks...

[Bear Hands]

It’s weird some are just acknowledging his footwork like a new thing. The lateral skip, hop and turn/hitch is and has always been his thing.

I think he’s trying to correct it but hasn’t and has a weird muscle memory thing going on.

[mrcompletely11]

3 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

It’s weird some are just acknowledging his footwork like a new thing. The lateral skip, hop and turn/hitch is and has always been his thing.

I think he’s trying to correct it but hasn’t and has a weird muscle memory thing going on.

how do you correct it at 5'10 and you have literally done it since high school

[MRenshaw]

It's not a surprise that Dan Orlovsky has just now noticed BY's horrific footwork and other deficiencies, when other more accomplished QB-turned-analysts pointed them out since practically day one. 

 

Edited 16 hours ago by MRenshaw

[bigdog_10_2002]

His drops are so slow. There’s no urgency to getting to his back foot. 
 

with that said, it’d be criminal to not acknowledge these facts that aren’t helping him. 
 

Nijman starting at LT

Corbett forgetting how to snap

The lack or urgency from everybody getting in and out of the huddle resulting in the play clock nearly hitting zero every play (this has been a reoccurring theme for Canales-Bryce-Dalton)  im not sure where this is coming from but it needs to be urgently fixed.  The defensive line doesn’t have to worry about a headcount and is just jumping at zero, blowing up the line in the process  

Legette being an absolute liability in everything he does. 
 

 

 

[Jackie Lee]

13 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

how do you correct it at 5'10 and you have literally done it since high school

80% of guys with foundational issues coming out of college that are actually NFL size can't get it corrected lol. I honestly enjoyed watching PJ walker more as far as smaller qb's go. At least he could launch it from pure natural athletic ability. Plus he gave better press conferences and had a cool underdog story

[MRenshaw]

4 minutes ago, bigdog_10_2002 said:

Corbett forgetting how to snap 

 

Corbett forgot how short his QB was. There, fixed it for you.

[Chaos]

4 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I haven’t paid attention to ESPN for years now, so I didn’t know Dan was a fan.  But, considering how he ended that video, I was a little perturbed with his optimistic ending because you literally just showed him throw to get the receiver smoked multiple times, being completely unaware of the defender lurking - both in the pick and the last throw to Renfrow.  How many times does a guy have to do that for it to not be considered “not characteristic” anymore?  Bc Bryce has been doing it for 3 years now.

Those trash QBs must stick together, it’s like a brotherhood of failure. 

[Beast_3000]

5 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

I haven’t paid attention to ESPN for years now, so I didn’t know Dan was a fan.  But, considering how he ended that video, I was a little perturbed with his optimistic ending because you literally just showed him throw to get the receiver smoked multiple times, being completely unaware of the defender lurking - both in the pick and the last throw to Renfrow.  How many times does a guy have to do that for it to not be considered “not characteristic” anymore?  Bc Bryce has been doing it for 3 years now.

I wholeheartedly agree with you, but I also see it from the player angle too. Dan probably feels like it breaks the brotherhood code as a former player to completely roast a  current young player.  It hurts Bryce’s ability with future teams and  his possible future outlook. The Panthers can be done, but don’t send him to the grave without the chance of a reclamation project. 

[Beast_3000]

2 hours ago, CRA said:

It’s largely because XL is in the doghouse.   It’s like the 3 Renfrow balls.   Blaming him is just comically bad takes.  Renfrow set Bryce up for 2 big plays….he couldn’t make the throws though and thanked him with a hospital ball. 

Renfrow won’t last the year. Renfrow while tiny and high IQ… is a baller.  He will put his tiny frame out there.  Bryce will end his comeback 

So sad but true. I was amazed how he got up from that duck ball and big hit. 

[Stumpy]

7 hours ago, bigdog_10_2002 said:

The lack or urgency from everybody getting in and out of the huddle resulting in the play clock nearly hitting zero every play (this has been a reoccurring theme for Canales-Bryce-Dalton)  im not sure where this is coming from but it needs to be urgently fixed.

It's by design. Because DC doesn't trust Bryce to make audibles.

[bandu]

LOL we have been talking about fixing Bryce Youngs footwork for almost 3 years now.if his footwork has shown little to no improvement in that amount of time then you might have to come to the realization while at the same time using a little common sense it's not natural to Bryce Young with his small stature/ size to step up in the pocket plant his feet & drive the ball from the back leg to the front leg while remaining stable.no instead you see BY becoming easily overly excited & then as a result starts alot of unessary scrambling & hopping around & maybe it's not necassirly he is scared all the time & it has more to do with his height & he is trying to find the right angles for visual purposes whatever it is he  puts himself in a position where he cannot stay balanced when he throws the ball & anytime you throw the ball unbalanced it not only effects your power but it also effects your accuracy/ timing

point being the real problem with Bryce Youngs bad footwork is his small size ...just saying 

Edited 6 hours ago by bandu

[Waldo]

It's a 3 year walk back from generational talent but that's what these guys do after going so hard for so long. 

[Bear Hands]

14 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

how do you correct it at 5'10 and you have literally done it since high school

It doesn't look like he will.  

As someone else mentioned, what he does allows him (or he thinks it helps) to maximize field vision.  It doesn't seem he trust himself to read during his drops if he went conventional.  At his size, he's trying to survey as much as he can with his back-skip/hop before that weird hitch and turn once he's good and dropped back.  Kyler and Russ for example are very deliberate and quick, good footwork mostly, with higher release points.  And honestly, they both have 1-1.5" on him height wise.  And Bryce plays small, lower release point, he will just throw quick on his backfoot rather than step up into the pocket and take a lick.     

In the process, he loses so much potential torque.  It's 101 stuff but it's like all media has an agreement to not acknowledge it.  He usually had the extra second at Bama to readjust into comfortable position.  They called it him being this lose street-style "Point Guard", winning out-of-structure, but you still need proper damn mechanics!  I don't get the collective analytic community ignoring this for so long.  It's some of the worst footwork you'll ever see, and it doesn't look like he cares to fix it.  It's year 3.    

Taking out arm strength, I felt like once I really saw the difference in him vs. contemporaries like Kyler/Russ mechanics wise, his problems were so obvious.  And he's just comfortable doing his thing, doesn't want to go out of that comfort zone, and it doesn't translate. 

At the end of the day, I think he's simply below the physical threshold.  His size just doesn't work at this level with his arm strength and lack of frame for being a runner.  You hate to say it, because people love to see this type of kid beat the norm, but I think we're simply below the threshold.