You Done with Morgan Yet?

[OldhamA]

48 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Have you seen the guys he drafted last year?

I think you have to give Draft picks at least two years to know what you've got:

• Legette is looking like a bust
• Brooks is unfortunate - with modern medicine he should have been fine
• Wallace is struggling
• Sanders can play
• Smith-Wade is mediocre
• Crumedy... is on the roster?
• Barrett got us Mike Jackson

Not exceptional, but if someone else besides Sanders can contribute it's not a cripplingly bad haul. 

[mrcompletely11]

32 minutes ago, SetfreexX said:

I think being out on Dan is shortsighted; here are the two immediate reasons that stick out to me.

1) Inherited a grossly undersized QB with no real tangible physical traits that offset his size that the prior offensive staff did not want, who appears to be an all-time bust. Bryce isn't ''elite'' in any physical category, athleticism, arm strength, nothing, even his ''superpower'' aka his processing, does not show up. Not to mention that he is in his 3rd year and is still built like an HS senior.

2) The roster was terrible, the fact that we have halfway established some depth on both sides of the ball is commendable considering we are at the top of his 2nd year at the helm; we have not seen bad contracts handed out, and we've seen relatively smart trades. Even the Thielen one, because he's 35 and we got 4th round value for a guy who was not part of the long-term plans, did we miss him these past two games...sure. However, we were not a playoff team with him anyway.

1. He didnt "inherit" Bryce, he was was complecent in picking him 

2. Dan had a front row seat in building this roster

[LinvilleGorge]

6 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

I think you have to give Draft picks at least two years to know what you've got:

• Legette is looking like a bust
• Brooks is unfortunate - with modern medicine he should have been fine
• Wallace is struggling
• Sanders can play
• Smith-Wade is mediocre
• Crumedy... is on the roster?
• Barrett got us Mike Jackson

Not exceptional, but if someone else besides Sanders can contribute it's not a cripplingly bad haul. 

Brooks isn't "unfortunate". We drafted a RB coming off of a torn ACL. I give GMs a pass for drafting guys that run into injury issues while having no medical red flags coming in. It's football, it happens. But when you draft a guy with medical red flags and then he continues to get injured you gotta own that. You took a calculated risk and lost.

[theinstrumental]

It's really all on Tepper. He was the engine behind the Bryce trade, which the roster obviously wasn't ready for. We wasted a year proving that the roster wasn't ready to support a young quarterback, and then spent a mandatory offseason using all possible resources to patch up the offensive line and find offensive playmakers. Then the defense was the worst in the league, and we spent an offseason trying to solve that. We've been chasing our tail, dealing with problems that Tepper let stagnate while he chased immediate contention, and then the shiny toy of a young QB. 

Dan's got a competent contract guy and he's finally hired someone to stop him from wasting draft capital in bad trades. Those two things alone put a functional floor on his performance. I don't think he's got the vision to turn us into the Eagles or the Chiefs, But if the owner's never going to agree to a proper rebuild, it probably doesn't matter.

[Jay Roosevelt]

Xavier Legette might be the worst player in the entire league, including practice squads. For that pick alone Morgan needs to be on the hotseat.

[klumme]

Naa, my trust in this franchise is so low, that if he got fired the chance of us picking an idiot again is 100%

If we go right, my first thought is we probably should have gone left. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

The biggest problem, IMO, is that Tepper has never truly cut the cord and started fresh. There has always been some remnant of a previous regime left over when he's tried to start fresh.

1) Fired Rivera, but kept Hurney.

2) Let Hurney go, but kept Rhule.

3) Fired Rhule, but kept Fitterer.

4) Fired Reich/Fitterer, but promoted Morgan.

If we're going to clean house, let's actually CLEAN fuging HOUSE and tear this thing down to the foundation and re-build properly.

Edited 3 hours ago by Jay Roosevelt

[SCO96]

9 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

The biggest problem, IMO, is that Tepper has never truly cut the cord and started fresh. There has always been some remnant of a previous regime left over when he's tried to start fresh.

1) Fired Rivera, but kept Hurney.

2) Let Hurney go, but kept Rhule.

3) Fired Rhule, but kept Fitterer.

4) Fired Reich/Fitterer, but promoted Morgan.

If we're going to clean house, let's actually CLEAN fuging HOUSE and tear this thing down to the foundation and re-build properly.

It's hard to argue with that logic. I still think what we have now could get us us back to .500 if Tepper would admit that to himself that BY is not a franchise QB. He needs take the handcuffs off of Canales (and Morgan) and let them find a QB by any means necessary (draft, FA, or trade).

[Joe Bear]

An argument could be made that the 2024 draft was even worse than the 2023 draft. You could also easily argue the worst drafts in franchise HISTORY are:

2024, 2023, and 2022.

That's why you're seeing what you're seeing every Sunday.

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, SCO96 said:

Too much is made about the trade that never was. At that time Burns was the ONLY legit pass rusher we had on the team. If you had got rid of him you who was going to supply the pass rush? I think at that time he was viewed as cornerstone of the team going forward. Even now he's still only 27. And, we still have not added a pass rusher to replace him. I would have made more sense to try get get them to take Derrick Brown. Burns has more sacks in a season than Brown has had in 5 seasons.

Those picks would have been in different years so we would have only had one extra pick in each year.

And, let's be honest. You see how this team has drafted over the years. We used #1 picks in Bryce Young and XL. Do you really think those picks would have made a difference on this team? 

2 1sts and a 2nd for an edge rusher that is barely pro bowl material much less all pro. The offer we got from the Rams was more than the offer for Parsons. You take that offer and run every day. 

And yes, those picks would have made a difference to a GM with half a brain. The trade package could have changed and kept Moore. The offer could have been 9, and the Rams 2 1sts for 1. Then the following year we still have our one, which we can either use to draft Daniels after the colossal turd of a rookie year Bryce had (Rosen with Az), or trade it for a collection of picks ourselves. 

Trading Burns gave us options, because without a QB, building around a pass rusher thats piss poor against the run for all pro money just doesn't make much sense. Burns was Hassan Reddick with the Spiderman gimmick. He was never JJ, TJ, Reggie, Peppers, Miller, Garrett. Those are guys you build.a defense around. 

[PNW_PantherMan]

Unfortunately it seems Dan isn’t any good at talent evaluation or roster construction.  It’s rare for a good player to be a good executive.  Beyond Bryce young, there’s too many baffling decisions that 90% of the huddle would have navigated better.

[Johnstonny]

20 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

The biggest problem, IMO, is that Tepper has never truly cut the cord and started fresh. There has always been some remnant of a previous regime left over when he's tried to start fresh.

1) Fired Rivera, but kept Hurney.

2) Let Hurney go, but kept Rhule.

3) Fired Rhule, but kept Fitterer.

4) Fired Reich/Fitterer, but promoted Morgan.

If we're going to clean house, let's actually CLEAN fuging HOUSE and tear this thing down to the foundation and re-build properly.

Over the last 7 yrs we're still at square one

[Jay Roosevelt]

3 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

It's hard to argue with that logic. I still think what we have now could get us us back to .500 if Tepper would admit that to himself that BY is not a franchise QB. He needs take the handcuffs off of Canales (and Morgan) and let them find a QB by any means necessary (draft, FA, or trade).

I think Canales can be a solid coach under the right circumstances, but I have little to no faith in our front office and scouting department to do anything but luck into good players in the draft. We seem to have hit on a player in TMac, but you should get a good player in the top-10 so that's nothing to brag about.

We also got lucky and found a gem UDFA in Jalen Coker, but at the same time we made one of the worst 1st round picks in franchise history that same year in Xavier Legette. We also seem to have found something in Brycen Tremayne so that's not nothing, but overall it's hard to look at the lack of talent we've brought in via the draft in recent years and not see a clear problem.

[Shotgun]

2 hours ago, hepcat said:

Never made sense to me either. Dan Morgan was in the room when they refused to trade Brian Burns for a QB level haul of picks. Everyone should have been fired into the sun the moment that trade was rejected. 

It was probably hard to find someone that was all in on Young. Dan is obviously very pro Bryce because he is still the penciled in starter with zero competition. 

Unfortunately I think we need to clean house. I'm not seeing much of anything that is salvageable.