panthers offense 30 of 32 in yards per play

[pantherclaw]

Defenses are playing us not to get beat deep.  Which is hiw most defenses play. Dont want the playmaker to get behind them. 

Of course, every defense is different based on scheme and players.  

The offense has struggled to get going in general, so I really don't care where it's rated in yards per play. 

Just win, baby. 

[fanpanther]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

Hmm let's see. Listen to a random graph or believe my own eyes which show poor ball placement and way too many 50/50 balls across 30+ career starts.

Also I've lost count how many passes I've seen Bryce throw downfield to the sideline that were heading out of bounds and the receiver had to make an acrobatic move just to attempt to haul it in. But more often than not that throw has been an incompletion.

BTW it's also not lost on me that the biggest general team fluffers here will waste absolutely no time in switching that up and throwing anyone necessary under the bus in order to prop up #9.

one thing that gets me with the diehars bryce supporters is i feel like his supporters are more diehard then cam or jakes were and they both did things for thr panthers.  young has done nothing and still has these diehard supporters. 

[Icege]

Chart supports anti-Bryce narrative: "The data is conclusive."

Chart counters anti-Bryce narrative: "Every statistician is a liar and a thief."

 

Hoo boy

[strato]

6 hours ago, CRA said:

Last year folks were gaslighting that Bryce was the best deep passer in the NFL despite not ever making plays downfield 

NOW, he has A+++++++ arm strength one notch down from Brett Favre S Tier arm strength? 

And people complain people are Bryce “haters” for arguing against all this type wildness lol. 
 

 

No kidding. Too much fan analysis and not enough detached analysis. 
Hell I even said he could make do if he handled all the mechanical and footwork issues, but still get attacked. For lack of objectivity. 

Edited 19 hours ago by strato

[mav1234]

3 hours ago, Icege said:

Get the young guys to start holding on to some of those deep passes (at a catchable rate on par with the best at the moment, in spite of the misinfo some fans like to spread to keep their agenda going) and those yards per play jump.

Bryce has only thrown like 7 balls 20 yards or more and has 1 completion.  This is out of 114 attempts  He is among the lowest in the NFL in intended air yards per completion, almost 2 yards lower than last year. He has had 5 drops (2 to TMac, 1 to XL, 1 to Sanders, 1 to  Chuba) , which puts him slightly above the league average by percent, but pretty close to it (4.5% vs 4.1% or so). 

He's also above the league average in "bad throws" (based on PFF). 

I'm not entirely sure how they're measuring EPA per pass attempt there but according to https://sumersports.com/teams/offensive/ we are 26th in EPA per pass play. 

Given all that, the idea that the problem is our young receivers not holding onto the ball feels a little incorrect, tho TMac needs to work on that (some of those aren't deep).  Bryce has barely given them any opportunities deep.

[strato]

5 hours ago, Icege said:

Chart supports anti-Bryce narrative: "The data is conclusive."

Chart counters anti-Bryce narrative: "Every statistician is a liar and a thief."

 

Hoo boy

I hope you understand that this Anti Bryce thing as you call it is really a pro Panthers thing.
I think I can safely use we. We want the best for the Panthers. 
As far as this other post saying ‘Anti’ Bryce people do misinformation.. you mean like going all in on “Renfro should have caught” that poorly thrown ball? I guess it was week 1. And calling it a drop. Comical btw. 
I wonder, did you call that out or let it slide because it aligned with your agenda? 

[Icege]

11 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Bryce has only thrown like 7 balls 20 yards or more and has 1 completion.  This is out of 114 attempts  He is among the lowest in the NFL in intended air yards per completion, almost 2 yards lower than last year. He has had 5 drops (2 to TMac, 1 to XL, 1 to Sanders, 1 to  Chuba) , which puts him slightly above the league average by percent, but pretty close to it (4.5% vs 4.1% or so). 

He's also above the league average in "bad throws" (based on PFF). 

I'm not entirely sure how they're measuring EPA per pass attempt there but according to https://sumersports.com/teams/offensive/ we are 26th in EPA per pass play. 

Given all that, the idea that the problem is our young receivers not holding onto the ball feels a little incorrect, tho TMac needs to work on that (some of those aren't deep).  Bryce has barely given them any opportunities deep.

I counted 1 - 2 uncatchable passes and a third that's debatable.

I don't get why folks think that invalidating any accomplishment by Bryce or Evero means they're pro-Panthers. It's a weird justification. Not that you're doing that mav, just commenting on some of the general surrounding chatter.

Edited 7 hours ago by Icege

[CRA]

13 hours ago, mav1234 said:

Bryce has only thrown like 7 balls 20 yards or more and has 1 completion.  This is out of 114 attempts  He is among the lowest in the NFL in intended air yards per completion, almost 2 yards lower than last year. He has had 5 drops (2 to TMac, 1 to XL, 1 to Sanders, 1 to  Chuba) , which puts him slightly above the league average by percent, but pretty close to it (4.5% vs 4.1% or so). 

He's also above the league average in "bad throws" (based on PFF). 

I'm not entirely sure how they're measuring EPA per pass attempt there but according to https://sumersports.com/teams/offensive/ we are 26th in EPA per pass play. 

Given all that, the idea that the problem is our young receivers not holding onto the ball feels a little incorrect, tho TMac needs to work on that (some of those aren't deep).  Bryce has barely given them any opportunities deep.

yep, if you look at the 20+ throws of Bryce Young w/ Canales in 2024-2025 (and remove the anomaly week 18 Atlanta game).  It's horrific downfield play.   

Pretty sure it works out to 5 for 24 when going 20+ yards w/ 3 INTs.

Is it all on him? No, you can find fault elsewhere in that in either Dave or some WRs.  But to be THAT bad going downfield, you got to acknowledge Young is a big part of why it doesn't work.  A big chunk of that is his heavy bad throw % and ball placement (Bryce makes life hard).  WRs pretty consistently having to go for a lot of contested balls that are contested in the manner they are because of ball placement often.

my stance has been consistent since the day we drafted him.  Pick a direction.  I don't care which. You either need a BY centric scheme and HC....or you need a new QB.  We hired Frank and now Canales.   And it's too late to finally attempt something year 4 that should of been attempted day 1.   

I was hard on the Frank hire if BY was the pick.  Same for Canales if BY was going to be the guy.  It's really raging at the Panthers org not really BY.  But BY is the square peg and Carolina has a round hole O ever since drafting him.  So he becomes the easiest fix given they have never wanted to do what they should of always done.  

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

yep, if you look at the 20+ throws of Bryce Young w/ Canales in 2024-2025 (and remove the anomaly week 18 Atlanta game).  It's horrific downfield play.   

Pretty sure it works out to 5 for 24 when going 20+ yards w/ 3 INTs.

Is it all on him? No, you can find fault elsewhere in that in either Dave or some WRs.  But to be THAT bad going downfield, you got to acknowledge Young is a big part of why it doesn't work.  A big chunk of that is his heavy bad throw % and ball placement (Bryce makes life hard).  WRs pretty consistently having to go for a lot of contested balls that are contested in the manner they are because of ball placement often.

my stance has been consistent since the day we drafted him.  Pick a direction.  I don't care which. You either need a BY centric scheme and HC....or you need a new QB.  We hired Frank and now Canales.   And it's too late to finally attempt something year 4 that should of been attempted day 1.   

I was hard on the Frank hire if BY was the pick.  Same for Canales if BY was going to be the guy.  It's really raging at the Panthers org not really BY.  But BY is the square peg and Carolina has a round hole O ever since drafting him.  So he becomes the easiest fix given they have never wanted to do what they should of always done.  

 

This is why Ive always thought Bryce was a Dave and Nicole pick and been doomed to failure from the beginning. If you look at Frank and his past offense, Bryce was always the least likely to fit. Square peg in a round hole. That's not saying anything against Bryce. He was put in a bad position from the very beginning with a coach who didnt want him because his skill set didnt fit what he does as well as Stroud's did. And that was obvious because Frank didnt care once Bryce was drafted. He didnt even get an opportunity to do his job so why pretend to care.

Bryce needs an offense specifically designed around him, but that wasn't going to be Frank because Dave overruled him even choosing his own QB, and now DC whose offense isn't really built around Bryce's style either. 

You gotta let a HC chose his QB and instead we've been trying to find a HC to fit our QB which is a much larger ask and we have a leftover hire at GM from one of the worst GMs in NFL history. 

This whole thing has been fugged from the beginning. And whether youre a Bryce lover or hater, the clear issue is Dave and Nicole made a franchise defining football decision without understanding football.

[strato]

4 hours ago, Icege said:

I counted 1 - 2 uncatchable passes and a third that's debatable.

I don't get why folks think that invalidating any accomplishment by Bryce or Evero means they're pro-Panthers. It's a weird justification. Not that you're doing that mav, just commenting on some of the general surrounding chatter.

Who is invalidating accomplishments? What does that even mean? 

[electro's horse]

8 minutes ago, strato said:

Who is invalidating accomplishments? What does that even mean? 

You know. His accomplishments. All of them. 

[strato]

36 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

You know. His accomplishments. All of them. 

you mean like, if he completes a pass we say he didn’t? 
If he stands tall and steps into his throw knowing he will be hit but  pays the price to make the play? I have seen him do that, once or twice. And complimented him for sacking up. 
 

I don’t understand why it is impossible to admit he has shortcomings. That his arm is not strong by NFL standards. It all is what it is, 

Edited 2 hours ago by strato

[electro's horse]

Just now, strato said:

you mean like, if he completes a pass we say he didn’t? 
If he stands tall and steps into his throw knowing he will be hit but  pays the price to make the play? I have seen him do that, once or twice. And compliment enter him. 
 

I don’t understand why it is impossible to admit he has shortcomings. That his arm is not strong by NFL standards. It all is what it is, 

Actually I’ve got some stats about how big time his throws are. 

You could even call them…..Big Time Throws 

[mrcompletely11]

1 minute ago, strato said:

you mean like, if he completes a pass we say he didn’t? 
If he stands tall and steps into his throw knowing he will be hit but  pays the price to make the play? I have seen him do that, once or twice. And complimented him for sacking up. 
 

I don’t understand why it is impossible to admit he has shortcomings. That his arm is not strong by NFL standards. It all is what it is, 

If he was a 3rd pick he would already be off the team or at least 2nd or 3rd string