Dave is sticking by Bryce

[Jon Snow]

7 minutes ago, strato said:

It stands to reason that there would have been conditions of employment baked into an agreement. Especially if it is a 7 year deal (someone said it was I have forgotten). 
Bryce gets two years of development before the cut bait clause kicks in, or something like that. It makes too much sense. 
Canales would still have time to draft and develop his guy under those terms. 

I know this, if Bryce is bullshit, fools gold, those players know it right away. if people don’t think being forced to take the field with a guy you have no faith in does not affect their attitudes, they aren’t thinking right. It can’t not affect things, even in professionals. 

I am not dying on the Canales hill, but I don’t think he gets a fair evaluation if he is only judged by what he can do with Bryce’s leading the team. Not him specifically, that goes for anyone.

 

I think Canales contact is for 3 years. He's not getting an extension at this pace.

[Chaos]

We have the worst quarter back in the NFL by a long shot. Can’t run a play over five yards. How many teams have back ups better than BY?  2/3?

[Moonraker]

I think at this point we could bring Jake down out of the booth and have a better shot. This team has not become better in any way or area since Rivera left...we have actually regressed. We are no better right now than we were at the beginning of last year. Anyone who has actual talent here is traded for a bag of flour. 

[GoobyPls]

40 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Let's not pretend we didn't have an extremely potent running game at the end of last year, too. Chuba sat the last two games of the season but had 1200 yards last year and the only games we won with Bryce where Chuba averaged approx 5 YPC or more, other than Atlanta. Atlanta is why I thought Bryce turned a corner.  But... nope

And meh, DJ is great for YAC, but Tet has more YPC and more total yards than DJ.  And, at least before today, Tet even had more YAC than DJ (and more YAC/R). 

Not compared to that team under Wilks where damn near rush for 300 yards vs the lions and had multiple games around 200 yards rushing, I don’t think we had a running game close to that. DJ speed gives an offense more dimension than TMac size he’s also only a rookie

[strato]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think Canales contact is for 3 years. He's not getting an extension at this pace.

Cool. That is really short.
Excluding his no doubt fat paycheck I would not want to be in Canales’ position under these circumstances. 

 

[KSpan]

23 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

I think Canales contact is for 3 years. He's not getting an extension at this pace.

 

13 minutes ago, strato said:

Cool. That is really short.
Excluding his no doubt fat paycheck I would not want to be in Canales’ position under these circumstances. 

 

His contract is 6 years, and I agree that it's more likely that Bryce goes vs both of them being gone, for better or worse. Only scenario would be that everything has looked so poor/no one has developed, and that could still be the case 

[Jon Snow]

2 minutes ago, KSpan said:

 

His contract is 6 years, and I agree that it's more likely that Bryce goes vs both of them being gone, for better or worse. Only scenario would be that everything has looked so poor/no one has developed, and that could still be the case 

Canales will not see year 4 with his team looking like they have. He has been out coached more often than not and his situation awareness is nonexistent. He's simply not an nfl head coach. 

[strato]

41 minutes ago, KSpan said:

 

His contract is 6 years, and I agree that it's more likely that Bryce goes vs both of them being gone, for better or worse. Only scenario would be that everything has looked so poor/no one has developed, and that could still be the case 

Yeah there are other inadequacies that could trigger action unrelated to Bryce Young. 
But is seems like Evero was also a condition. Which would cut out the defensive side in a fair evaluation. 
 

[mav1234]

3 minutes ago, strato said:

Yeah there are other inadequacies that could trigger action unrelated to Bryce Young. 
But is seems like Evero was also a condition. Which would cut out the defensive side in a fair evaluation. 
 

I would like to see Canales for the start of a season with a new QB room.  I don't know if the decision was made above his head or what, but I'd like to see what he can do with someone of his choosing.

edit: pending the rest of the year, lol.  I don't care about losses anymore but I want to see the offense improve.

Edited 8 hours ago by mav1234

[strato]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

I would like to see Canales for the start of a season with a new QB room.  I don't know if the decision was made above his head or what, but I'd like to see what he can do with someone of his choosing.

edit: pending the rest of the year, lol.  I don't care about losses anymore but I want to see the offense improve.

I feel like Canales, or anyone that had to depend on Young for success, should get a shot without him. IOW I agree we need to see that. He is green as poo. With too much on his plate, having to be QB guru play calling guru (around what might mouse can do), and the rest of the team too. 
Steep learning curve. 
People talk about you Young going elsewhere and succeeding should be wary of that with Canales.[edit: not saying immediately, but he can get himself another shot] We knew to get a coach we had to hire one too early. And we did. So I am more hesitant to trash his potential than I am BY9. How big or fast Canales is, doesn’t matter; we can”t go by his physique to see his ceiling like we can with a high school sized QB with bad footwork.
 

as far as improving…..

When the OL’s continuity gets messed with, you have setbacks and it takes time to re-establish. That happened to Dalton last year I think. 

Things around him were just not that good. Out of sync. It never really settled back in before he had his accident.

Same thing is happening here so it might be a while before we see any improvement, especially with this guy playing QB. 
Maybe at home against a team doing us favors, we can see something better. 

 

 

Edited 6 hours ago by strato

[Icege]

If Bryce was 7'5" special teams wouldn't have give up 55.7yds a punt return.

Edited 3 hours ago by Icege

[heel31ok]

13 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Question was, “Will Bryce be your starter next week?”

Dave said absolutely.  Said Bryce is being competent out there, he’s leading us, he has good energy and focus, and he’s the guy to lead us.

i think I’m good off watching anymore of this poo.

He's a gondola...

[HPPantherzfan]

13 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Question was, “Will Bryce be your starter next week?”

Dave said absolutely.  Said Bryce is being competent out there, he’s leading us, he has good energy and focus, and he’s the guy to lead us.

i think I’m good off watching anymore of this poo.

He is going to lose the locker room, TMac already looked very frustrated after he was wide open down the sideline and once again Bryce throws it a mile over his head.

[Waldo]

NE figured out the offense. Double Tet and sit on the run. Bryce had nothing to give at thst point. Freaking NE finally shut it down, that's how bad it is. I expect to see more of that formula moving forward.