These guys nail the basics on Bryce/Canales/Carolina

[carpanfan96]

2 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Do you think this team worries about dead cap? This team has been FUBAR long before Tepper arrived. Their contracts are set up for a win now team with their money allocated in the wrong positions with older players. If they were truly rebuilding their would be more rookie contracts and little to no vet contracts over 2 years. By the time they get enough talented rookies on this team that will nedd second contracts they will still have all their money tide up in aging gets. Its FUBAR. 

No I'm saying they can't afford it. The team has 10m in cap space in 2026. If the roll over everything, they'll have 28m in cap space and need around 11m for draft picks. They can't afford to trade Horn or Moton at all and trading Brown would leave them very little space. 

[jb2288]

I'm honestly excited about Canales next year with his QB. I think there's no doubt now we take a QB first round, there's just too many coming out next year we will get a decent one. I really hope we go get Winston tho to start, he will make a ton of mistakes but we could at least see the full offense. That being said, all bets off if a team makes a dumb move and a really good coach becomes available. 

[Jay Roosevelt]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

they did trade his best player behind his back, I wanted Harbaugh here and then I wanted Vrabel here.  What could have been

Do you think Vrabel or Harbaugh would be doing significantly better than Canales if Bryce was still the QB?

Edited September 29, 2025 by Jay Roosevelt

[CRA]

5 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Do you think Vrabel or Harbaugh would be doing significantly better than Canales if Bryce was still the QB?

I think the front office would have issues if they were hired.  And I think the D would be better.   They would be more aggressive. 

offense? everyone going to have a BY issue that isn't some scheme wiz like a Shanahan.  He could improve the O. 

[jb2288]

6 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

No I'm saying they can't afford it. The team has 10m in cap space in 2026. If the roll over everything, they'll have 28m in cap space and need around 11m for draft picks. They can't afford to trade Horn or Moton at all and trading Brown would leave them very little space. 

They don't need to either. the "blow it up and start again" approach is for teams with expensive QBs who aren't performing. See the Saints last year. You don't need to blow it up when you aren't paying your QB, we aren't in as bad a spot as some think. Figure out QB next year with a combo of a rookie 1st round pick and a cheap vet (Winston) and nail the rest of the draft (big if) and you are right where you need to be. This years draft so far seems to be REALLY good we are getting legit production from all these guys but JHJ so far. We are not in an awful spot. 

[Jon Snow]

6 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

No I'm saying they can't afford it. The team has 10m in cap space in 2026. If the roll over everything, they'll have 28m in cap space and need around 11m for draft picks. They can't afford to trade Horn or Moton at all and trading Brown would leave them very little space. 

Its not about space. It's dumping long term contracts. They need more rookies to develop on cheap contracts. They do not need to sign FA'S period. If they do it's for scrub roster fillers. They have been paying those scrubs primer starter money on long term contracts. They are going to have to draft their way out the nfl basement and not buy their way out which Tepper and his GM minions have been trying to do.

[fanpanther]

2 hours ago, chknwing said:

I thought tepper fired Frank because they disagreed on Bryce running more RPO and hired Canalas with the mind set he would be creating an offense around the RPO.  Yet we don't see that.

Pretty sure Bryce gets destroyed in an RPO offense but couldnt really do worse than he has been doing.  

[fanpanther]

5 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Do you think Vrabel or Harbaugh would be doing significantly better than Canales if Bryce was still the QB?

I dont think there is a coach alive that could win with BY as his QB in the nfl unless they have a hof running back and oline so byoung never has to throw. 

[CRA]

1 minute ago, fanpanther said:

Pretty sure Bryce gets destroyed in an RPO offense but couldnt really do worse than he has been doing.  

RPO IMO doesn't suit Bryce at this level because of his size.  He is too close to the line trying while trying to make the reads on that. 

[csx]

4 minutes ago, fanpanther said:

Pretty sure Bryce gets destroyed in an RPO offense but couldnt really do worse than he has been doing.  

RPO doesn't mean the qb runs. 

[mrcompletely11]

10 minutes ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

Do you think Vrabel or Harbaugh would be doing significantly better than Canales if Bryce was still the QB?

bryce wouldnt be the qb if they were coaching

[CRA]

15 minutes ago, csx said:

RPO doesn't mean the qb runs. 

it means you got to make a quick decision while positioned behind the massive OL/DLs.  Bryce needs to drop further to see clearly

[frankw]

8 minutes ago, CRA said:

it means you got to make a quick decision while positioned behind the massive OL/DLs.  Bryce needs to drop further to see clearly

Oof that picture. Cannot fathom anyone in the decision making process thought this was going to be a rousing success.

[mav1234]

2 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

If you start firing coaches and benching your starting qb you signal the season is over and the purge must begin. That includes trading players for draft picks. 

No? There's no rule for that, just what some fans want.  And we probably start trading assets if we hit the trade deadline with one win anyway.  It's more about if the team can improve in the next few weeks.

Evero is clearly the "HC" of the defense. He and Canales clearly disagree on who should play. Evero still being DC, and who he is playing, is an indication that Canales doesn't have control of the team. 

Bryce is IMO a separate situation. Dude just doesn't have it.