Bryce stats past the sticks

[TN05]

[Jackofalltrades]

Obviously not NFL QB material. Trade him!

[45catfan]

Good for him.  Seriously...good for him, but before you go off the deep end, do the last 2-1/4 years.

[Dave Gettleman's Shorts]

crazy what a good run game and play action does for a QB

[45catfan]

Context. 

[frankw]

Question of sustainability remains. We have to wait and see.

[tukafan21]

That'a great stat and all, but part of it is also concerning when you really think about it.

Maybe it's just because of how well we were running it, but it still means we only threw the ball more than 10 yards down the field only 9 times all game?  And even that isn't entirely accurate as at least a handful of those "past the sticks" throws were likely less than 10 yards, such as the 4th down pass to Renfrow.

It means at least 16 of 25 pass attempts were less than 10 yards, and since we know the Renfrow one was, that means 17 of 25 passes were 10 yards or less downfield.  That might have worked in a game like this, but you're never going to be legitimately successful in today's NFL if you can't throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field with any consistency.

Against the worst pass defenses in the league, it seemed like a game where you could get Bryce some more confidence in his downfield passing by taking more down field attempts.

And no, before anyone says it, this is NOT a T-Mac post, it's just a legitimate concern that we're flat out afraid of letting Bryce throw it downfield at all.  

I already gave Canales his props for aclling a great game yesterday, and I still think he did.  But seeing a stat like this does give me cause for concern to yet again, have a game where we had a great chance to work on things to help Bryce's development, and didn't take that opportunity (just like the lack of pushing the passing game in the Falcons blowout).

[mav1234]

4 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

That'a great stat and all, but part of it is also concerning when you really think about it.

Maybe it's just because of how well we were running it, but it still means we only threw the ball more than 10 yards down the field only 9 times all game?  And even that isn't entirely accurate as at least a handful of those "past the sticks" throws were likely less than 10 yards, such as the 4th down pass to Renfrow.

It means at least 16 of 25 pass attempts were less than 10 yards, and since we know the Renfrow one was, that means 17 of 25 passes were 10 yards or less downfield.  That might have worked in a game like this, but you're never going to be legitimately successful in today's NFL if you can't throw the ball more than 10 yards down the field with any consistency.

Against the worst pass defenses in the league, it seemed like a game where you could get Bryce some more confidence in his downfield passing by taking more down field attempts.

And no, before anyone says it, this is NOT a T-Mac post, it's just a legitimate concern that we're flat out afraid of letting Bryce throw it downfield at all.  

I already gave Canales his props for aclling a great game yesterday, and I still think he did.  But seeing a stat like this does give me cause for concern to yet again, have a game where we had a great chance to work on things to help Bryce's development, and didn't take that opportunity (just like the lack of pushing the passing game in the Falcons blowout).

8 passes past 10 yards. 6 completions, 3 TDs. I'm fine with 8 passes out of 25 down field tbh. 

Edit: note that I do not think this is showing deliberate incompletions / throwing the ball away.

Edited 2 hours ago by mav1234

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

8 passes past 10 yards. 6 completions, 3 TDs. I'm fine with 8 passes out of 25 down field tbh. 

Edit: note that I do not think this is showing deliberate incompletions / throwing the ball away.

For me, it's less about the % of downfield passes, it's about that percentage of them in a game against such a bad pass defense.

I've said it too many times to count, this season was never meant to be about winning games as the main priority, it was always about the growth of Bryce and if he can be the QB of the future (and same for Canales' future, but to a slightly lesser extent).  Set aside whether you think he's already proven he can't be, as that's a different discussion that no matter what fans think, while the season is being played, the team is never going to think he can't be while continuing to play him.  

So, if you operate under the assumption that the team still thinks he has a chance to be our QB of the future, that is when I then take issue with the percentage of 10+ yard throws in a game against the worst pass defense.

I know we won the games and actually looked like a competent NFL team in the process, so don't take me saying this as "being upset" about the game.  But yes, I am still disappointed that we didn't use a game against a defense like that to try and further Bryce's development by taking more downfield chances.  Which doesn't mean 50 yard bombs, but throwing more 15-25 yard passes downfield would have been nice to see against such a weak defense.

[DaveThePanther2008]

Splash plays are important, but ball control is much more important.  The longer we hold onto the ball the more we don't have to play catch-up. 

[Icege]

14 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

For me, it's less about the % of downfield passes, it's about that percentage of them in a game against such a bad pass defense.

I've said it too many times to count, this season was never meant to be about winning games as the main priority, it was always about the growth of Bryce and if he can be the QB of the future (and same for Canales' future, but to a slightly lesser extent).  Set aside whether you think he's already proven he can't be, as that's a different discussion that no matter what fans think, while the season is being played, the team is never going to think he can't be while continuing to play him.  

So, if you operate under the assumption that the team still thinks he has a chance to be our QB of the future, that is when I then take issue with the percentage of 10+ yard throws in a game against the worst pass defense.

I know we won the games and actually looked like a competent NFL team in the process, so don't take me saying this as "being upset" about the game.  But yes, I am still disappointed that we didn't use a game against a defense like that to try and further Bryce's development by taking more downfield chances.  Which doesn't mean 50 yard bombs, but throwing more 15-25 yard passes downfield would have been nice to see against such a weak defense.

I am struggling to wrap my head around this... If the team is trying to compete, then they should have thrown the ball more when averaging over 5ypc? If they're not trying to compete, then they should have thrown the ball more to see if Bryce can be the guy?

So either way, throw the ball more?

Edited 2 hours ago by Icege

[45catfan]

4 minutes ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Splash plays are important, but ball control is much more important.  The longer we hold onto the ball the more we don't have to play catch-up. 

Super important.  Bryce isn't a come from behind guy.  The Dolphins game as a huge *, Bryce needs to play out front or at least be withing striking distance to be effective.  I have no illusions he's going to become Baker Mayfield 2.0.

[OldhamA]

48 minutes ago, 45catfan said:

Good for him.  Seriously...good for him, but before you go off the deep end, do the last 2-1/4 years.

The Panthers have released a video of his TDs today.

We're being gaslit. 

[ProcessBlue2]

I really hope Dowdle and Hubbard have a run off against one another for the starting job and we run for like 350 yards and only have to pass the ball like 10 times. Jets pass D is pretty decent.