Bryce Young - High Ankle Sprain, out minimum 1 week

[PleaseCutStewart]

Hey Giants, we will give you Dalton + a broken washing machine for Winston

[tukafan21]

2 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

I don't think it's a stunting because if they have the abilities, they aren't magically going to lose them due to lack of game opportunities. Were that the case, backup players would be utterly useless as they just sit and watch.

XL's lack of development is solely of his own doing. 

I don't doubt that any WR is going to be happier with more opportunities but I also don't think Winston(or anyone else, for that matter) is suddenly going to transform our entire offense into 40-50 passes a game. I will say it's possible and given the player you are talking about that certainly might have to be an option more often than not but that doesn't really seem to fit Canales style in general.

Most backup players you didn't draft in the first round and/or are expecting them to be your long term starters.

You need in game reps to grow your game and these guys aren't getting NFL level in game reps with Bryce at QB, I don't know how anyone can honestly think we aren't stunting their growth so far.

And yes, I agree some of XL's issues are things he needs to work out on his own to improve his catching and mental side of the game, but he still needs a real life NFL QB throwing him the ball or he'll never improve, no matter what he does on his own.

[CarolinaLivin]

2 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

I agree with this and said as much in the "QB trade" thread last night.  However, I think Jameis is the one exception to this rule, especially if we can get him for a 5th or later pick TWO drafts from now.

To me, that cost is MORE than worth the return we'll get in the form of expediting the growth of our pass catchers.  

But literally any other available backup QB in the league and anything other than a pick TWO drafts from now, and I probably then balk at a trade like that.

I just don’t get what you all see in jameis. He’s a backup. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

You’d literally be running an nfl blitz offense. 

the only thing you want him throwing is PA da bomb flip

you mean... the only thing you want him throwing is air as he fakes a pass after handing off to Rico...

Dude should never, ever be throwing a pass.

Edited 4 hours ago by PleaseCutStewart

[electro's horse]

Just now, PleaseCutStewart said:

you mean... the only thing you want him throwing is air and he fakes a pass after handing off to Rico...

Dude should never, ever be throwing a pass.

I mean hookers got an absolute hose. 

shame about all his other throws. 

[TN05]

3 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Hey Giants, we will give you Dalton + a broken washing machine for Winston

I do not want Jameis Winston

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, CarolinaLivin said:

I just don’t get what you all see in jameis. He’s a backup. 

So is Bryce. Jameis just has a much different skill set that could potentially allow us to see more of the playbook and get a better idea of what we might potentially have on offense.

[Jay Roosevelt]

I mean, odds are we're going to lose this game regardless.

[Jay Roosevelt]

1 minute ago, TN05 said:

I do not want Jameis Winston

I wouldn't hate having Winston. He's basically the modern day Vinny Testeverde but he's still got a live arm.

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, Jay Roosevelt said:

I wouldn't hate having Winston. He's basically the modern day Vinny Testeverde but he's still got a live arm.

Testaverde had more arm left as a panther than Bryce does now. 

[45catfan]

36 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

So when he struggles after he comes back because he's still not 100%, the fans and team will make excuses for him because of that and it will be the reason we give him another year as our starting QB.

Perfect.

FML.

Bro, he's getting another year whether you like it or not.  It will be the '26 offseason before any long term decision is made on Bryce.  The only thing that may get decided this offseason is concerning his 5th year option.

[Jon Snow]

Just now, Jay Roosevelt said:

I mean, odds are we're going to lose this game regardless.

Exactly. This team cannot win a shootout with the Bills. Josh will get his on our defense. We just have to limit his time on the field. That's going to rely on our run game. If Andy throws multiple picks we do not have a chance. 

[tukafan21]

1 minute ago, CarolinaLivin said:

I just don’t get what you all see in jameis. He’s a backup. 

He's a backup because he constantly loses games for his teams with his turnovers.  I don't want him for what he can do and a QB, I want him because of what he can do for our WRs and TEs.

Bryce started 12 games last year and had 2,400 yards passing with 15 TDs.

Jameis started 7 games last year and had 2,120 yards passing with 13 TDs.  

Bryce has started 7 games this year and has 1,288 yards passing with 11 TDs.

If you don't see what Jameis, even with all his faults, can bring to this team because of his very live arm, then you're fooling yourself or just don't want to see it.

[kungfoodude]

5 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

Most backup players you didn't draft in the first round and/or are expecting them to be your long term starters.

You need in game reps to grow your game and these guys aren't getting NFL level in game reps with Bryce at QB, I don't know how anyone can honestly think we aren't stunting their growth so far.

And yes, I agree some of XL's issues are things he needs to work out on his own to improve his catching and mental side of the game, but he still needs a real life NFL QB throwing him the ball or he'll never improve, no matter what he does on his own.

Well DJ Moore had a parade of mediocre to bad QB's after Cam's arm died. Did his budding career suddenly go to poo? 

I think you are fairly dramatically overrating the idea that development for a WR hinges on "certain types of throws." 

That's really a very minimal thing versus the bigger issue(IMO) of just having resources that are largely being squandered to the detriment of your overall offense. Bryce's lack of success pushing the ball deep absolutely creates that.

But those ills aren't going to be solved by just bringing in a guy that consistently puts you in huge holes with crazy TO's. 

Getting a functionally BETTER QB will solve almost all the issues with the passing game. Unfortunately, that's just gonna be a tough ask during the season. That's really an offseason fix and we just didn't choose to do that this past offseason. We are now reaping that.