This Bryce Guy (General BY Discussion in Here)

[kungfoodude]

2 hours ago, hepcat said:

As soon as opponents figure out how to stop Rico Dowdle, Bryce is going to have to win games on his own. It’s going to be ugly because Bryce cannot do that, and we’re all going to want a new QB again.

Next year Dan Morgan HAS to bring in a younger veteran QB as backup with Dalton obviously on the way out and no other options on the roster. Someone like a Trey Lance, Zack Wilson, Anthony Richardson, Will Levis, Malik Willis, etc. At least one of those guys will go on to be a decent to good starter in the NFL after time riding the bench. 

Good Christ, why are you wishing so many downgrades at QB on us??? Have we not suffered enough yet??

[mav1234]

52 minutes ago, kungfoodude said:

Good Christ, why are you wishing so many downgrades at QB on us??? Have we not suffered enough yet??

No. We haven't. You're going to take your Anthony Richardson and you're going to like it!

[Day1PanthersFan]

Did we even inquire about Trading for Mahommes ?

[hepcat]

5 hours ago, kungfoodude said:

Good Christ, why are you wishing so many downgrades at QB on us??? Have we not suffered enough yet??

Psh I said sign one of them as a backup!!!

[The Lobo]

11 hours ago, Super Grateful said:

question for the casuals: if Bryce and the Panthers are so bad, what has you spending hours on a fan forum daily racking up tens of thousands of posts claiming the latter?

So only post on here when they are good? This board would have shut down years ago if that’s the case. What kind of point are you trying to make? Is that you Bryce? 

[TLGPanthersFan]

10 hours ago, Super Grateful said:

I don't have the time or energy to respond to all of the casuals but yes, if you cannot sit back and root for your team and the players on your team, you're a casual to me. You're caught up in things like jerseys, star power, stats, etc. Plain and simple, if you don't want to be happy after your team wins and you wanna nitpick every player, coach, decision over something you have absolutely no control over, do you boo.

Contrarily, I am such a huge fan that I have been cushioning the blows of my teams losses for years. If I bet the other side, it's a win win. I literally just paid for my tickets behind home plate in the world series watching my dodgers win again because I previously bet on the Blue Jays to beat them. The Jays won, I won a chunk of money and cushioned the blow, took the winnings and got incredible seats. I don't expect everyone to be able to understand this or afford this life style, but it's just what I do. I already admitted to losing thousands on betting against the panthers, I already ate my crow, I'm a man and can admit when I am wrong, I can laugh at my self and not take things like sports so seriously. I will most likely keep adding the panthers opponents to some of my lottery parlays too. Sue me!

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever read. At no point in your rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul". 

[frankw]

Bragging about being a Dodgers fan while spending hours here whining about "casuals" is certainly a weird flex. Must be real tough jumping onto a team with nine championships.

Edited 5 hours ago by frankw

[Candler Cat]

[kungfoodude]

4 hours ago, hepcat said:

Psh I said sign one of them as a backup!!!

Yeah, I mean a decent chunk of those are actually still downgrades from Shell Of Dalton. 

If we draft a QB and then maybe sign one of those reclaimation projects....maaaaaybe it's not the worst idea. But those guys as a Bryce safety net are scary as hell.

[PNW_PantherMan]

Not sure how you can meaningfully downgrade from how bad Dalton is now.  He won't be in the NFL next year unless Dan Morgan gives him a contract.

[CRA]

14 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

Nah. Walker was a turnover machine. 

I mean, you didn't contradict anything.  I've said he is a bad QB.   We went 4-3 with PJ Walker as the starter.   The lone human that we have managed to win around in the Tepper era.  Sure, he is a bad QB and turns the ball over.....but I already said he was a bad QB.   His ceiling of good is higher than Bryce. That's true.   Better tools and more threatening. There bads are comparable.   Bryce just can settle in to a level of non-threatening and nothing play that PJ can't.  He is more non-stop rollercoaster riding. 

But again, PJ is more fun to watch....with a higher ceiling. 

The fact is, if you are to accurately talk about the QB tier Bryce falls in.....the PJ Walker, Kyle Allen, types come into the convo.  Which says all you need to say about Bryce.   

 

[Bear Hands]

I've seen the comp a few times, and I feel there is a lot to it.

Our situation is a lot like Kansas City was pre-Mahomes (without the HOF HC)

Whether you like them or not, D&D are building something here.  They had a strong draft.  The team is slowly coming together, developing some identity, and has some decent blue chip parts.  Brown, Horn, McMillan, and a good OL situation that we should keep fortifying every year.  It's not much yet, but growing.   

Bryce is in that Alex Smith spot.  A top draft pick, has never been overly impressive, but you can win games when he's safe with the ball.  You're not winning because of him - maybe once in a blue moon.  From time to time he's shown the ability to orchestrate some plays and lead drives.  I just don't see anything that is like - "oh snap, yeah don't let him go, he's ours".  He'll make a solid/good throw every now and again, but man, it is a struggle a lot of the time to watch.  Some terrible performances to speak of, heck he's already been benched once during year 2.     

He should in no way preclude you from flirting with what else is out there. 

This is not a marriage.  If you're in position (or trade range) for a guy you REALLY like come draft day, you shoot your shot. If we are in the draft process, and suddenly realize QB3-4 is a guy we really like, that's when you make a modest jump from like 16 to 11 or something like that.  Just like the Bills did for Allen, like the Chiefs did for Mahomes.  This is nothing magical that plants this franchise savior title on them, this is not some stupid trade-- it's an easy trade up to get a guy you like w/a big ceiling.  It's all player dependent and coaching/development driven.  If we don't like a QB, by all means fortify the front-7, get an awesome OLB or ILB prospect.  

But we're on year 3, you kind of know what you're getting at this point.  Mostly sub-200 yard performances, low YPA, bad technique, poor mechanics, some decent stuff sprinkled in, but some bad turnover heavy ones that kill the team's momentum.  Again, run with him if there's no complete disaster that happens the remainder of the season, but don't close the door on something better just because of the investment or debatable performances.   

 

[PNW_PantherMan]

6 minutes ago, Bear Hands said:

This is nothing magical that plants this franchise savior title on them, this is not some stupid trade-- it's an easy trade up to get a guy you like w/a big ceiling.  It's all player dependent and coaching/development driven.

Hard to say but I think part of it is player development.  But not every player will succeed in developing further in the NFL level.

I think what may contribute to it, at least equally, is having the luxury to pick your guy.  They didn't have to trade up and get Mahomes.  They chose to based on the fact that they liked the prospect, the trade up cost, etc.  It wasn't a forced move.  It was a move they chose to make rationally and not based emotions.

[Bear Hands]

Just now, PNW_PantherMan said:

Hard to say but I think part of it is player development.  But not every player will succeed in developing further in the NFL level.

I think what may contribute to it, at least equally, is having the luxury to pick your guy.  They didn't have to trade up and get Mahomes.  They chose to based on the fact that they liked the prospect, the trade up cost, etc.  It wasn't a forced move.  It was a move they chose to make rationally and not based emotions.

Totally.  They had a guy starred on their boards that made it in trade worthy range. The risk was totally worth it.  Our case was the classic of a franchise not having a QB, do what you can to get one.  That often results being thrust into a bad situation, putting crazy pressure on 1 guy, and it becomes even worse when he's not that great.  But if we find ourselves just a few spots behind a guy we really like, I don't see a problem.  

We just have to see how the season shakes out and enjoy this roller coaster.  It's not pretty at times but we somehow are 5-4 haha.

If Bryce turns a page and cranks out some truly QB driven wins, then maybe we do consider just rolling with him and a Dalton replacement in 2026.  Someone like a Jarrett Stidham/Tanner McKee.  

However, if he stays mostly the same (whether we fall apart or he struggles on/off but we still win some), I think you have to leave to door open for a QB in the draft.  Scout and meet with the top ones, see if any really fit what D&D want.  Maybe that guy could be Mateer.  Who knows