Okay gentlemen, REAL talk...

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, kungfoodude said:

It tough to get a read, TBH.

I cannot fathom how anyone with any logic in them would think Bryce is a long term solution or even worth a 5th year option.

But, it is the Panthers so you just never can tell.

 

 

[CRA]

56 minutes ago, ChibCU said:

Some are still experiencing doomed depression while witnessing clear franchise progress after a terrible decade-long decline.

Is your quality of life really improving to invest 95% of your posts shouting that our QB is the worst? You aren’t part of the decision team yet you act like it’s your full-time job and side hustle income.

Having positive signs of growth is necessary for a winning and contending culture. It also means we can maybe finally get some HC and GM stability. Then, the roster can get molded each year in the right direction.

Enjoy the progress and crack a smile in real life every once in a while. Damn. 

yeah, a lot of people voice excitement over the improvements and wins.  They just see how we can frankly continue to make strides and get better……by addressing the tiny elephant in the room.  And as soon as that is said, some folks lose their poo and do whatever you just did here with projecting that makes people miserable.  If we addressed QB this past offseason, we might actually be good this year.  Actual good. 

[tukafan21]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Purdy got a five year, 50 plus million dollar per year contract.

That may not be the best example to cite for your argument.

My point was neither QB is a Mahomes or Allen type who can just carry a crap team to wins and while the 49ers have mostly won during his time there because they have such a complete roster, he's still far more critical to the 49ers success than Bryce is to ours, another team that is winning because of the roster, not the QB.

He might not be THE reason they win games, but they certainly wouldn't be as good without him or have as high of a ceiling.  He allows Shannahan to call the game he wants to call and Purdy adapts around it, he doesn't need to adapt his gameplan around what Purdy isn't able to do like Canales has to do with Bryce.

The 49ers win less games the last few years without Purdy.

I don't think we win less games without Bryce, but I think we win/lose different games.  He's made a handful of clutch late game throws that a lot of back end starting QB's won't do.  But he's also played so poorly in other games where most other back end starters would have gotten us a win.

[Mr. Scot]

23 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

My point was neither QB is a Mahomes or Allen type who can just carry a crap team to wins and while the 49ers have mostly won during his time there because they have such a complete roster, he's still far more critical to the 49ers success than Bryce is to ours, another team that is winning because of the roster, not the QB.

He might not be THE reason they win games, but they certainly wouldn't be as good without him or have as high of a ceiling.  He allows Shannahan to call the game he wants to call and Purdy adapts around it, he doesn't need to adapt his gameplan around what Purdy isn't able to do like Canales has to do with Bryce.

The 49ers win less games the last few years without Purdy.

I don't think we win less games without Bryce, but I think we win/lose different games.  He's made a handful of clutch late game throws that a lot of back end starting QB's won't do.  But he's also played so poorly in other games where most other back end starters would have gotten us a win.

I don't think Purdy is all that good.

[Silent Majority]

5 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

For a year...

Could they prematurely commit beyond that? Possible but I'm not ready to predict it. 

I agree 1000%

[kungfoodude]

41 minutes ago, tukafan21 said:

My point was neither QB is a Mahomes or Allen type who can just carry a crap team to wins and while the 49ers have mostly won during his time there because they have such a complete roster, he's still far more critical to the 49ers success than Bryce is to ours, another team that is winning because of the roster, not the QB.

He might not be THE reason they win games, but they certainly wouldn't be as good without him or have as high of a ceiling.  He allows Shannahan to call the game he wants to call and Purdy adapts around it, he doesn't need to adapt his gameplan around what Purdy isn't able to do like Canales has to do with Bryce.

The 49ers win less games the last few years without Purdy.

I don't think we win less games without Bryce, but I think we win/lose different games.  He's made a handful of clutch late game throws that a lot of back end starting QB's won't do.  But he's also played so poorly in other games where most other back end starters would have gotten us a win.

Have you seen the past two games he has played with Purdy?

He is adapting to working around Purdy, because he hasn't played well since his return from injury aside from the Arizona game. 

Now that isn't typically the case but he has clipped his wings a little it looks like.

[Aussie Tank]

1 hour ago, tukafan21 said:

My point was neither QB is a Mahomes or Allen type who can just carry a crap team to wins and while the 49ers have mostly won during his time there because they have such a complete roster, he's still far more critical to the 49ers success than Bryce is to ours, another team that is winning because of the roster, not the QB.

He might not be THE reason they win games, but they certainly wouldn't be as good without him or have as high of a ceiling.  He allows Shannahan to call the game he wants to call and Purdy adapts around it, he doesn't need to adapt his gameplan around what Purdy isn't able to do like Canales has to do with Bryce.

The 49ers win less games the last few years without Purdy.

I don't think we win less games without Bryce, but I think we win/lose different games.  He's made a handful of clutch late game throws that a lot of back end starting QB's won't do.  But he's also played so poorly in other games where most other back end starters would have gotten us a win.

This has nothing to do with Bryce but look at Mahomes record now that his side is at a Carolina Panthers the last half decade talent level. A good QB keeps you competitive but the rest of the side will make you a champion 

[strato]

7 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'm not a Bryce fan, but I've seen enough to know it isn't just Bryce.

Our MO under Canales has been to open the season looking like refried dog sh-t but to get better as the season goes along.

That points to poor offseason prep. 

Everybody made too much of that. The CBA and the 17 game schedule is what kills the cohesion we see in teams across the league in the opening games. 
You decide, look at your depth and make informed decisions there or you get a an extra quarter or whatever two quarters with your ones. 
Teams that are set don’t have those openings as much down the roster to evaluate but that ain’t everybody. It is a quandary. I think they need that 4th preseason game back.

But as I said, I don’t lay that as the excuse for Bryce to come out looking like he does to start seasons. He has an entire camp. 

Edited 20 hours ago by strato

[ThPantherFan]

17 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

This is just how it is, guys. Gotta be real.

I'm not sold on Bryce being our future QB.  He is to short.  A good backup for sure.  I wouldn't mind keeping coach C or Dan around.  

[outlaw4]

This feels a bit like 2022 when I had wanted to focus on building up the team even more, so that we could potentially make major moves in 2024. But we went in a different direction and it feels like it took this long just to get back where we were before.

So yes, I kind of see Canales/Young as a bridge for something even better because the inconsistency with those two are maddening. But another year with those two would at least mean we can use the next offseason to plug in even more holes in the roster. At least then, if you end up replacing Canales/Young, then it's a far more attractive job and you're giving the next QB an actual team around them from the start.

[Mr. Scot]

19 hours ago, strato said:

Everybody made too much of that. The CBA and the 17 game schedule is what kills the cohesion we see in teams across the league in the opening games. 
You decide, look at your depth and make informed decisions there or you get a an extra quarter or whatever two quarters with your ones. 
Teams that are set don’t have those openings as much down the roster to evaluate but that ain’t everybody. It is a quandary. I think they need that 4th preseason game back.

But as I said, I don’t lay that as the excuse for Bryce to come out looking like he does to start seasons. He has an entire camp. 

Every team in the league operates under those same conditions. But a number of other teams somehow manage to start the season looking way better than we do.

Offseason prep and pacing are a big part of coaching.

Tom Coughlin used to beat the sh-t out of his teams. They'd start the season looking like world beaters, then by late season they were done.

On the flipside, more "vet friendly coaches" would take it easier. They start looking slow and maybe a tad sloppy, but get better as seasons go along. 

The best coaches though, find a way to start looking crisp up front and keep it going all year. Belichick tended to be good at this. Reid has likewise become a master over the last few years.

Bottom Line: Having your team ready to play is a coach's responsibility, and not just on a weekly basis. It's important coming into the season also.

Canales...needs work

Edited 46 minutes ago by Mr. Scot

[Mr. Scot]

12 hours ago, ThPantherFan said:

I'm not sold on Bryce being our future QB.  He is to short.  A good backup for sure.  I wouldn't mind keeping coach C or Dan around.  

Not saying he is beyond his fifth year, but I firmly believe he gets that fifth year. 

[Mr. Scot]

8 hours ago, outlaw4 said:

This feels a bit like 2022 when I had wanted to focus on building up the team even more, so that we could potentially make major moves in 2024. But we went in a different direction and it feels like it took this long just to get back where we were before.

So yes, I kind of see Canales/Young as a bridge for something even better because the inconsistency with those two are maddening. But another year with those two would at least mean we can use the next offseason to plug in even more holes in the roster. At least then, if you end up replacing Canales/Young, then it's a far more attractive job and you're giving the next QB an actual team around them from the start.

I think Canales might end up being a long term answer.

Not convinced with Bryce...

[Stuart Smith]

On 11/30/2025 at 4:06 PM, SmokinwithWilly said:

If we pick up the 5th year, Morgan needs to be shown the door. 

Tepper has been quiet, but he will make his thoughts known one way or the other if Dan Morgan decides to cut ties with Bryce. I think he has given Morgan and Canales a long leash, but he would have a say in this.