ESPN guys talk Bryce fifth year option

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I'm not a glazer, and I don't think he's the 2nd coming of PM, I think he was in a very bad situation in Washington 

Washington under Snyder had nothing but bad situations.

[cranky]

2 minutes ago, Castavar said:

I mean, ups and downs are to be expected for a 23 year old first year starter. But he showed huge potential all season and has a huge arm. All I'm saying is all these castoffs and terrible 2nd year QBs continue to get chance after chance, while Sam Howell has proven he can throw in this league and doesn't even get an opportunity to start on another team after a decent year as a first year starter. 

You are right about him having a huge arm.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I am assuming this is true.  And its kindof crazy that there hasnt really been a story about why Howell cannot stay on a roster.

2023

Sam Howell had to throw upwards of 50 times a game and 84% of his balls were catchable. Of his 612 attempts, 84% were catchable. (According to sports info solutions) EIGHTY FOUR PERCENT. That’s with the defense knowing he was going to pass. No run game. No defense having to respect play action. An atrocious offensive line. 84%. He was sacked 65 times.

There has to be more to the story. Something just doesn't add up here.

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Its AI but here goes nothing:

 

Trevor Lawrence's catchable ball statistics vary by situation, with his highest rate being

74.1%74.1 %

74.1%

in a clean pocket and his lowest on deep balls at

41.2%41.2 %

41.2%

. When pressured, his catchable pass rate is

51.6%51.6 %

51.6%

, and it's

55.2%55.2 %

55.2%

on play-action plays. Lawrence has also been impacted by a high receiver drop rate, which makes it appear as if he is more inaccurate than he is. 

 

 

 

Catchable pass rate by situation 

• Clean pocket:
  74.1%74.1 %

  74.1%
  (ranks 28th out of 32 quarterbacks)
• Deep balls:
  41.2%41.2 %

  41.2%
  (ranks 23rd out of 32 quarterbacks)
• When pressured:
  51.6%51.6 %

  51.6%
  (ranks 15th out of 32 quarterbacks)
• On play action:
  55.2%55.2 %

  55.2%
  (ranks 28th out of 32 quarterbacks)
• Red zone:
  65.1%65.1 %

  65.1%
  (ranks 15th out of 32 quarterbacks)
• When blitzed:
  69.2%69.2 %

  69.2%
  (ranks 19th out of 32 quarterbacks) 

 

Compared to:

 

Bryce Young's catchable ball stats vary by situation, with a high catchable pass rate of

73.2%73.2 %

73.2%

in a clean pocket (30th in the NFL) and a

60%60 %

60%

rate on deep throws (20+ air yards), which was 10th in the NFL in 2024. However, his pressured and blitzed catchable rates were lower at

39.7%39.7 %

39.7%

(31st) and

60.3%60.3 %

60.3%

(29th), respectively. 

 

 

By situation 

• Clean pocket:
  73.2%73.2 %

  73.2%
  catchable pass rate (30th in NFL)
• Deep ball (20+ air yards):
  60%60 %

  60%
  catchable pass rate (10th in NFL in 2024)
• Pressure:
  39.7%39.7 %

  39.7%
  catchable pass rate (31st in NFL)
• Blitzed:
  60.3%60.3 %

  60.3%
  catchable pass rate (29th in NFL)
• Red zone:
  62.5%62.5 %

  62.5%
  catchable pass rate (22nd in NFL) 

If you want use arcane analytics 

25 in accuracy #27 in EPA/att (-0.03) #29 in completion rate (65%) #30 in TD to INT ratio (1.4) #34 in TD rate (3%)

Those are Trevor numbers

 

Again you will find anything to criticize Bryce and make those same excuses for Trevor. If you actually watch him play you would know the jags have won in spite of him basically every game. It laughable you think Bryce is in a better situation.

[Castavar]

4 minutes ago, cranky said:

You are right about him having a huge arm.

3 back to back 300+ yd games with a 8-2 td-int isn't "potential" to you as a first year starter? If Bryce Young did that, he would be getting non stopped praised and handed an extension. 

Howell showed more in his first year starting than Bryce has whole whole career. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Castavar

[cranky]

4 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

There has to be more to the story. Something just doesn't add up here.

I think just the fact that he is not with ANY team this year says a lot. I mean there are some desperate teams out there and no one has brought him in. So yeah, I think you are right about there being something more to the story.

[mrcompletely11]

7 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

There has to be more to the story. Something just doesn't add up here.

[mrcompletely11]

4 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

If you want use arcane analytics 

25 in accuracy #27 in EPA/att (-0.03) #29 in completion rate (65%) #30 in TD to INT ratio (1.4) #34 in TD rate (3%)

Those are Trevor numbers

 

Again you will find anything to criticize Bryce and make those same excuses for Trevor. If you actually watch him play you would know the jags have won in spite of him basically every game. It laughable you think Bryce is in a better situation.

For fug sake man, can you read?  Where did I criticize bryce and where did I make excuses for TL?  goddamn 

 

and bryce is in a way better situation.  Better oline, better rbs, better wrs.  What in the holy fug are you watching?

[CRA]

This board must have way more Clemson fans than I give it credit for, the amount of folks that watch all the Trevor Lawrence games is way higher than I would have guessed. 

#All In! Go Tigers! 

Jaguars are also 6-1 this season with Trevor's best weapon the field.  Which all of us Trevor watchers know isn't BTJ given we watch all his games. 

[CRA]

35 minutes ago, cranky said:

Where are you getting your numbers?

According to pro-football-reference, Youngs bad throws number is 17.5%. Caleb Williams for comparison is at 22.5% and Stroud is at 16.3%. So pretty much the same as Stroud and considerably better than Williams. 

As far as Lawrence goes, yes he is better at 15.6% but last year he was at 17.5% and the year before that he was at 18.8%.  The same or worse than the "top in bad throws" Bryce.

Given all of that, how can you claim Bryce is at the top and Trevor is below average. 

And I must say I find it ironic that I can comment on Bryces' lack of receiver talent in 24 and 23 and you say I am just using that as an excuse, yet you excuse Trevors' play with "The Jags skill positions players have been a big let down this year."

So which is it - does the talent surrounding a QB matter or not?

If you are using PFR then you should be able to easily the the dividing league average line.....where Bryce is above and Trevor is below it.  It's a big blank space that says league average when you are sorting by bad throw %. 

You don't really want to go backwards.

Bryce was #1 in bad throw % in 2023

Bryce was #1 in bad throw % in 2024 (technically 2 but #1 was Anthony Richardson and he didn't finish out the season)

in 2023, 2024, 2025.....Bryce is above league average all 3 seasons in bad throw % and Trevor is below all 3 seasons.  

Bryce stans need to find something else than thinking Trevor Lawrence somehow makes Bryce Young not bad.   It's not working.  And no one, even Clemson fans, really want to be in here defending the forever disappointing Trevor Lawrence.  

[SmokinwithWilly]

31 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Washington under Snyder had nothing but bad situations.

It's how we ended up with Brian Burns and not Greg Little in the 1st. Dan Snyder overruled his entire staff and took Dwayne Haskins RIP. If Burns had been the selection like many expected, Hurney had already said he was taking Little at 16. That would have brought his 1st round success rate down a few pegs. Woof! 

[Panthers Fan 69]

2 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

I want nothing to do with "Rudolph". Cousins I could see but he's ancient.

Is prefer someone like Sam Howell. Maybe Will Levis but his skill set doesn't fit our current scheme as well as Howell's would.

No no no. I mean draft a guy like cousins in the 3rd or 4th. That is when he was drafted. 

[TN05]

The fact people are hyping up scrubs like Howell and Lance really indicates just how cosmically unlikely it is anyone but Bryce is gonna start for us next year.

Edited 37 minutes ago by TN05

[Mr. Scot]

1 hour ago, cranky said:

I think just the fact that he is not with ANY team this year says a lot. I mean there are some desperate teams out there and no one has brought him in. So yeah, I think you are right about there being something more to the story.

He's with the Eagles. They traded three lower round picks for him back in August.

Edited 34 minutes ago by Mr. Scot