First 4 NFL starts - Tyler Shough

[TN05]

A substantial portion of this fanbase would prefer we win 1 out of every 4 games (which Shough has done) if we threw for 220 yards a game rather than have a winning record and be in the playoff hunt

[rebelrouser]

The Saints reached (was thought to be more like a late 2nd early 3rd not no. 8 in the second) for a 26 yo qb prospect in the draft so they obviously saw something the believed in so i think they hold off on using their first rounder on a qb. That means they can trade down for someone who wants one of the top three guys.  

[CRA]

9 minutes ago, TN05 said:

A substantial portion of this fanbase would prefer we win 1 out of every 4 games (which Shough has done) if we threw for 220 yards a game rather than have a winning record and be in the playoff hunt

this is a rookie on a bad team.  Playing oddly well.  That we play next.  But we just can’t talk about anything or anyone because of Bryce and the feelings. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

54 minutes ago, CRA said:

this is a rookie on a bad team.  Playing oddly well.  That we play next.  But we just can’t talk about anything or anyone because of Bryce and the feelings. 

Plus it's also interesting to see how another team in our division goes about building around it's young QB. These 2 teams aren't so dissimilar from each other 3 years apart. We're also potentially, if we move on from Bryce, looking at taking another QB in the future so again, building around a young QB. Which strategies work best. What doesn't. Information is your friend. 

[TN05]

1 hour ago, CRA said:

this is a rookie on a bad team.  Playing oddly well.  That we play next.  But we just can’t talk about anything or anyone because of Bryce and the feelings. 

“Playing oddly well”

He is 1-3

[BIGH2001]

3 hours ago, CRA said:

We literally play the Saints next and this kid’s surprising start is the most relevant thing to talk about regarding them.

Bryce Young insecurity shouldn’t shut down talk 

Surprising? His QBR is lower than Spencer Rattler’s. He’s thrown 5 TDS and 4 INTs and is 26 years old. He’s Brandon Weeden or Chris Weinke. An old guy on a terrible team who can put up mediocre stats and convince a few morons that he might be the guy. Some of yall need to be out of the amateur football evaluation business. 

[BIGH2001]

1 hour ago, TN05 said:

A substantial portion of this fanbase would prefer we win 1 out of every 4 games (which Shough has done) if we threw for 220 yards a game rather than have a winning record and be in the playoff hunt

They think every QB should be prime Cam or Mahomes. And further that those types of players just grow on trees and are freely available to draft if we just lose enough games to get the first overall pick. 

[Mr. Scot]

14 hours ago, PNW_PantherMan said:

It’s almost like picking first overall isn’t required for getting a good QB

Never was...

Regardless of draft position or talent level, you still gotta have the right coaching.

Good coaching can shape a lesser round or even an undrafted player into a solid starter.

Poor coaching can tale a top overall pick and turn him into a massive bust.

There's about a hundred other factors that go into making a great NFL quarterback of course, but if you don't start with good coaching you're already operating at a disadvantage. 

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

They think every QB should be prime Cam or Mahomes. And further that those types of players just grow on trees and are freely available to draft if we just lose enough games to get the first overall pick. 

Said before and it's still true...a lot of folks either don't understand or don't appreciate just how much of a unicorn Newton really was.

[ForJimmy]

Saints did a good job of not rushing him out this year. Having a former QB as a coach probably helps. He is an older rookie so unfortunately he has to figure it out quickly which is far he has done. 

[mav1234]

16 minutes ago, BIGH2001 said:

They think every QB should be prime Cam or Mahomes. And further that those types of players just grow on trees and are freely available to draft if we just lose enough games to get the first overall pick. 

As much as I'd love Cam or Mahomes I'd also settle for a QB that is at least better than average at something other than 4th quarter comebacks/game winning drives. He's literally bottom third in the league in most categories (yards, completion percentage, int percentage/turnovers, YPA, IAYPA, QBR and QB rating) and right around average in a couple others, notably TD % where he is 15th and YAC/PA where he is 9th.

If Bryce can improve I'll be happy with him.

But all this stuff about us asking for perfection / insane ability is a bit ridiculous. Most of us "haters" just see a QB that is basically below average over his career to date and has shown relatively little consistency in his third year.  NFL offenses don't need 400 yards every week at all, but they do require a QB that can move the ball, and Bryce struggles often with that (hence why our overall offensive rank is so bad despite an overall good rushing rank).

[Mr. Scot]

48 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

Saints did a good job of not rushing him out this year. Having a former QB as a coach probably helps. He is an older rookie so unfortunately he has to figure it out quickly which is far he has done. 

Kellen Moore is a good quarterback coach.

Don't know that he's a good head coach but the ability to coach QBs is a valuable commodity in this league. Arguably the biggest there is...