Go after Shedeur this offseason.

[Tr3ach]

12 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

lol Shedeur is a rookie and is already better than Bryce.  Bryce didn’t have a single game like that as a rookie.  Shedeur has only started, what?  2 or 3 games?  And it’s not after one good game, I’ve been saying he was possibly the best QB in this draft class - number two at worst, prior to the draft.  I think he fell because owners had an axe to grind with Deion and Shedeur also suffers from the same issue Cam faced as a personality - he’s too big to be a backup and teams don’t want that distraction in their backup.

Youre wrong but ok.  He almost beat the worst team in the NFL.  He holds on to the ball way too long, it was ok against the titans.  He would get destroyed playing here.  I dont like bryce either, I just think the double standards and hypocrisy are crazy.  The one game before this one everyone was freaking out about he made one good throw, the other one was a screen play that went for a long td.  People like you always very loudly discredit those yards and passes when bryce makes them.

[Tr3ach]

1 hour ago, Proudiddy said:

Always appreciate you, AL.  But it’s clear if you look at the initial post and the amount of poo reactions I got combined with all the decades old burns these troglodytes typed up, the vast majority of their objections are rooted in Shedeur and Deion hate.  I have seen a ton of “If Deion wasn’t his dad” arguments, but let me flip that - If Deion wasn’t his dad, and as a 5th round rookie, he just threw for 350+ yards and had 4 TDs, 99% of these guys would be interested in acquiring him.  I see why our fanbase is such a joke…  these the same folks who have spent 30 years hemming and hawing “well, there’s always next year,” or argued Chris Weinke should be starting over Jake through 2006, or we should’ve drafted Marcel Dareus over Cam.  They’re okay with mediocrity.  We finally have vaulted ourselves into contention in spite of the QB who has tried to play us out of it most games, and now they’re fat and happy and cool with the bare minimum from the QB position, so the cycle continues.

Dont get me wrong, again, for the sake of this year I hope Bryce goes on a magical run, and against all odds, we win the Super Bowl.  But after the last 3 years, even if he does, we would be dumb to not still bring in competition to start at the QB position.

 

Some People just dont think hes that good.  I dont care who his dad is or who he is as a person.  He doesnt have good pocket presence and holds on to the ball way too long.  Just like bryce he has no great physical traits.  Having a different dad or a different personality isnt going to change these things. 

[fanpanther]

37 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Add 2 rushing tds plus a win

sanders add 1 rushing td and 120ish more total yards a loss but third nfl game started not bad at all. Time will tell who is the better qb but byoung setting the bar very very low. 

[RumHam]

he's probably bait if stefanski stays. this could define if stefanski has a job. 

[Castavar]

1 hour ago, strato said:

He has not showed himself to be TO. Not close. Your baggage, for some reason. 
 

This is tiresome. He doesn’t seem like that bad a kid. We know dad has a huge mouth and ego. I haven’t kept up to see what extent Deion has inserted himself into that situation in Cleveland but it seems like if he were causing trouble we would hear about it. 
 

He was a 5th round pick I think and was embarrassed nationally on draft day and also with the Falcons coach’s son prank calling him, it doesn’t appear that he has had an easy time of it and is getting a chance to play. I’ll judge him on what actually happens moving forward. 

Where are people getting this angle from? Everything I've seen and heard from him this year has been very mature and professional response. What am I missing here? I guess it's the same way Cam got the narrative that he was a spoiled brat and didn't care about his teammates. 

[SmokinwithWilly]

13 minutes ago, Castavar said:

Where are people getting this angle from? Everything I've seen and heard from him this year has been very mature and professional response. What am I missing here? I guess it's the same way Cam got the narrative that he was a spoiled brat and didn't care about his teammates. 

All the pre-draft stuff with his creating his own draft room for a million bucks and the narrative his dad wasn't letting him play for just any team in the NFL. It was a very bad image going in, and then it didn't help that guys like Kiper were just humping his leg day 2 and 3 about he was the best player in the draft and it was a travesty he wasn't drafted yet and he would be the best player in the draft and they would all regret it.

It's also perpetuated on social media that he deserved to be starter because of what he did in college over anyone else on the team and on and on. Rage bait for clicks etc. 

[Hoenheim]

I think Cleveland fans would revolt if that happened. I saw a stat somewhere about no browns QB throwing 3TD and running for a TD in their rookie season since Otto Graham in the 40s and 50s. He led the Browns to 7 championship wins and 10 consecutive championship games in the 1940s - 1950s 

I followed Colorado closely the past 2 years (23 and 24 seasons) , dude was always very good  in terms of accuracy and ball placement. He still struggles with holding the ball too long and some bone headed turnovers/plays, but he can make some incredible passes when he gets the time. He consistently made stuff happen despite Colorado have an abysmal o line, his scrambling ability is underrated. 

I think the entire draft poo show, was due to his personality. I think his personality rubbed some people the wrong way and his drop in the draft had nothing to do with talent. He should've gone right after Cam Ward in R1 to maybe the Saints or Raiders, easily. Raiders in particular would look totally different with him instead of Jeanty or Geno

Edited 2 hours ago by Hoenheim

[Hoenheim]

I think Deion's personality had a strong impact on Shedur's personality, although somewhat problematically, Deion was a supremely generational all time athlete at CB and Sheddur is mostly a solid pocket QB. 

I think Shedur is actually way more humble that Deion is/was, I just think whenever people catch him in a soundbite that makes him seem cocky they run with it to keep that narrative going for the haters to feast on. He's made it a point to at least seem a lot more humble since he's been drafted. 

No point in us trying to get him, only way it would've been feasible is if Stefanski kept his job into next year and Bryce had as abysmal of a season this year as he did his rookie season. Netiher are true/are going to be true imo.

Maybe whoever doesn't draft Mendoza in 2026 draft might try to trade for him. Or the Browns could draft Mendoza and trade Sheddur.  

[rebelrouser]

Our qb room sucks enough as it is.   

[Proudiddy]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

We are discussing possibilities.

But most of us think this particular "possibility" would be a really bad idea.

And not only because of his attitude but because while highlight reel scouting of him might paint a rosy picture, bfull game scouting tells a different story. 

Scot, I’ve watched his full games.. Since college.  I’m aware of the perceived weaknesses and flaws.  Yet, we have/had a front office full of paid football professionals who “full game” scouted Bryce Young and thought he was worthy of the #1 overall pick.  We also have a faction of our fanbase that, even when presented with a better option at QB, choose to keep believing in Bryce Young despite the fact that even with his occasional Atlanta games, or how he played against the Rams, he is still the statistically worst starting QB in the NFL since he’s been at the helm.

So, it can’t be based off play or scouting.  So what is it based off of?

[Proudiddy]

2 hours ago, Tr3ach said:

Some People just dont think hes that good.  I dont care who his dad is or who he is as a person.  He doesnt have good pocket presence and holds on to the ball way too long.  Just like bryce he has no great physical traits.  Having a different dad or a different personality isnt going to change these things. 

You’re in the minority,  I’m aware of his reputation for holding onto the ball too long, but give me someone whose issue is holding onto the ball too long but can hit a wide open 50 yard air pass when it’s there over a guy who often just doesn’t pull the trigger or can’t make the throw at all.

Again, the point of this thread is, no matter how Bryce finishes the year, competition needs to be brought in and an influx of talent at QB.  I happen to like Shedeur and if he was an option, as a young QB in his rookie contract, to me seems like a good idea if the price is right.

[Proudiddy]

1 hour ago, Hoenheim said:

I think Deion's personality had a strong impact on Shedur's personality, although somewhat problematically, Deion was a supremely generational all time athlete at CB and Sheddur is mostly a solid pocket QB. 

I think Shedur is actually way more humble that Deion is/was, I just think whenever people catch him in a soundbite that makes him seem cocky they run with it to keep that narrative going for the haters to feast on. He's made it a point to at least seem a lot more humble since he's been drafted. 

No point in us trying to get him, only way it would've been feasible is if Stefanski kept his job into next year and Bryce had as abysmal of a season this year as he did his rookie season. Netiher are true/are going to be true imo.

Maybe whoever doesn't draft Mendoza in 2026 draft might try to trade for him. Or the Browns could draft Mendoza and trade Sheddur.  

So, I like Shedeur, but as I’ve said in previous threads, in terms of the upcoming draft, Mendoza is the one guy I would lock in on.  

[Proudiddy]

1 hour ago, Hoenheim said:

I think Cleveland fans would revolt if that happened. I saw a stat somewhere about no browns QB throwing 3TD and running for a TD in their rookie season since Otto Graham in the 40s and 50s. He led the Browns to 7 championship wins and 10 consecutive championship games in the 1940s - 1950s 

I followed Colorado closely the past 2 years (23 and 24 seasons) , dude was always very good  in terms of accuracy and ball placement. He still struggles with holding the ball too long and some bone headed turnovers/plays, but he can make some incredible passes when he gets the time. He consistently made stuff happen despite Colorado have an abysmal o line, his scrambling ability is underrated. 

I think the entire draft poo show, was due to his personality. I think his personality rubbed some people the wrong way and his drop in the draft had nothing to do with talent. He should've gone right after Cam Ward in R1 to maybe the Saints or Raiders, easily. Raiders in particular would look totally different with him instead of Jeanty or Geno

Same on all counts.  Thank you for your objective ability to watch football lol.

[Basbear]

@LinvilleGorge I guess others want to discuss this beat to death topic, huh?!