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Unpopular opinion - DC might be a bigger problem than Bryce


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The sad thing is... I don't think Bryce played that bad of a game. He had two or three throws that were behind receivers and one throw that could have arguably been picked off. Otherwise, I think he made the right decision for the rest of his plays.

I am still baffled why we never throw the ball deep. I think we did it twice all game and both times resulted in 30+ yard games

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21 minutes ago, OldhamA said:

20 points, my dude.

You know you got issuses when your defense is getting crucified for holding a team to a average of 2 touchdowns for a game. This was the same as last game...wtf was they supposed to do...shut them out??? This was a 3 win team!! You had a oline, a run game and reliable receivers. Score some damn points.

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What really boggles my mind is that he consistently stayed with Rico.  He should have given Chubba a couple of good carries to see what he can do.  

Weeks ago we were screaming Rico, Rico, Rico but today he wasn't the RB we need.  Canales should have given the ball to Chubba as see how he does. 

Canales sucks at in-game adjustments.  if we don't have a good gameplan coming into this game, it's over. There are ways to beat every defense but you have to be smart enough to see what they are doing and get it done. 

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10 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

The sad thing is... I don't think Bryce played that bad of a game. He had two or three throws that were behind receivers and one throw that could have arguably been picked off. Otherwise, I think he made the right decision for the rest of his plays.

I am still baffled why we never throw the ball deep. I think we did it twice all game and both times resulted in 30+ yard games

This is where we at now...he's not playing bad...its just still not good enough. 15 completions for 163 yds. This is the norm for him,  it's not like it's a bad performance. For all circumstances considered that should have been shoughs numbers today.  Folks need to wake up and understand this, far as the numbers go Canales isn't hamstringing this by himself. He's worked worked with iffy qbs in the past and got results.

 

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He is part of the problem. This team has many issues on offense and defense. It starts with the coaches and ends with the players and their preparation and commitment. Some are more noticeable and critical to the success of the team. 

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4 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

This is where we at now...he's not playing bad...its just still not good enough. 15 completions for 163 yds. This is the norm for him,  it's not like it's a bad performance. For all circumstances considered that should have been shoughs numbers today.  Folks need to wake up and understand this, far as the numbers go Canales isn't hamstringing this by himself. He's worked worked with iffy qbs in the past and got results.

 

I hear you, but 15 completions for 160ish yards is a good average for most QBs. Even moreso when every designed pass play is to a TE in the flats or a receiver running a 3 yard route.

I can't stand Bryce as much as the rest of y'all, but he really is being hamstrung by this absolute dog poo play calling 

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I can’t put this game on Bryce or DC. Yeah we should have QB sneaked the 4th and 1. But the refs 100% fuged us. This might be most rigged against game we’ve had since SB 50.

Defense collapsed at the end because the refs carried their drives.  And that personal foul for the FG was also bullshit. Wallace went for the tackle. The scumbag ref heard the roar of the crowd and just had to get on his knees. 

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I’ve been saying this all season, including after wins where I felt we won because of players making plays as opposed to the staff having a well called game.

But calling out issues you see after wins just gets me called a bad fan.

They both need to be replaced, but I’d keep Bryce over Canales if it was between the two.

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2 hours ago, frankw said:

Defense is 28 out of 32 in salary cap allocation for the year.

Bryce Young has the highest paid OL in the league.

And they still cant efficiently pass blocking consistently.   They are run blockers.  Bryce sucks but he actually bails the oline out a lot this year.

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Just now, Tr3ach said:

And they still cant efficiently pass blocking consistently.   They are run blockers.  Bryce sucks but he actually bails the oline out a lot this year.

Let's keep in mind we have gone through like 5 RGs this year. I agree Bryce did a good job with avoiding sacks this game, but a lot of the pressure was designed roll outs where the saints brought extra pressure to the rollout side.

Much like last game against NO, I think play calling was one of the biggest reasons we lost the game

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2 minutes ago, PleaseCutStewart said:

Let's keep in mind we have gone through like 5 RGs this year. I agree Bryce did a good job with avoiding sacks this game, but a lot of the pressure was designed roll outs where the saints brought extra pressure to the rollout side.

Much like last game against NO, I think play calling was one of the biggest reasons we lost the game

Yea, I think the oline has played above expectations especially considering injuries, it was more specifically in response to the comment saying bryce was behind the highest paid oline as a way to knock bryce.

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