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Going for it instead of leading by two scores in the 4th


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6 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

I was remembering it being a little longer than that but that might be right. Fitz is 2/4 on 50+ for the season. 

I'm honestly not mad about the call. But we should have someone else practicing QB sneaks since little Bryce and geriatric Dalton can't do it. Let Rico or one of the TEs or XL or somebody do it. Somebody with the power to move the pile.

QB sneak is not in Legette’s future. Maybe Terminix or Orkin man.

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47 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Wasn't it gonna be a near 60 yard attempt? I'm sure the analytics say to go for it on 4th and 1 in that scenario but the analytics probably wouldn't be accounting for the inability to run a QB sneak.

Was on the 35 so would have been 52 yarder

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1 hour ago, TheBigKat said:

I’m not being cute and I’ve seen a fair amount of football. Can someone walk me into the rationale of that

No problem going for it... Big problem running whatever ass inside dive we did when everyone knew the saints were run blitzing middle there...

Seriously, call a toss, QB naked bootleg, read option pass, etc. literally anything besides what we called...

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2 hours ago, OneBadCat said:

I feel like Dave knew the kind of game it would be and was trying to buffer the game from the refs. 
 

I think Fitzgerald could have made it but I was more upset that we didn’t just sneak Bryce for half a yard. He could have got that.

We could tush push his tiny ass one foot

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2 hours ago, TheBigKat said:

I’m not being cute and I’ve seen a fair amount of football. Can someone walk me into the rationale of that

I didn’t realize we were in FG range until after we missed it. Against a team that has scored 7 points into the 4th quarter, you sure as hell go up 10 in the 4th. Add in the fact that his clock management before halftime cost us a chance at a TD, Canales in year 2 is showing some seriously bad HC decision making.

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Just now, WhoKnows said:

I didn’t realize we were in FG range until after we missed it. Against a team that has scored 7 points into the 4th quarter, you sure as hell go up 10 in the 4th. Add in the fact that his clock management before halftime cost us a chance at a TD, Canales in year 2 is showing some seriously bad HC decision making.

That decision and playcall probably lost them the game alone. It’s insane how bad today was in so many ways. Most of all how the saints were nudged to a win with penalties 

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4 minutes ago, WhoKnows said:

I didn’t realize we were in FG range until after we missed it. Against a team that has scored 7 points into the 4th quarter, you sure as hell go up 10 in the 4th. Add in the fact that his clock management before halftime cost us a chance at a TD, Canales in year 2 is showing some seriously bad HC decision making.

I mean the pass to get into fg range was a bit fluky, but he did call a td pass that Bryce threw a can of corn on. 

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