Lowest Yards Per Completion...All Time.

[SmokinwithWilly]

23 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

So you seriously think Bryce was bad in college and his receivers made him look good? Oh wow.

Bryce had a lot of help in college. Bama has the top recruiting classes with mostly 1sts, a couple 2nd and a 5th over the past dozen years. 10 guys from his class were drafted. Georgia had 10 also.

He played lesser caliber competition. Yeah he played in the SEC, but the SEC still has only so many 4 and 5 star recruits and draft worthy players. Alabama had the best, other teams didn't. That's just the nature of college ball. Now every team has what would be elite level talent in college. That huge advantage has disappeared and in many cases, he's on the lesser talent side. 

Bryce benefited from where he played. Nothing wrong with it. But its why you've got to ignore a lot of the game play and look at the physical attributes, footwork, progressions, motions, everything. We, and by we I mean Fitts and company and Tepper, ignored a lot of the simple red flags because they got hung up on the super processor hype. Damn that S2 test. 

[mrcompletely11]

19 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Bryce had a lot of help in college. Bama has the top recruiting classes with mostly 1sts, a couple 2nd and a 5th over the past dozen years. 10 guys from his class were drafted. Georgia had 10 also.

He played lesser caliber competition. Yeah he played in the SEC, but the SEC still has only so many 4 and 5 star recruits and draft worthy players. Alabama had the best, other teams didn't. That's just the nature of college ball. Now every team has what would be elite level talent in college. That huge advantage has disappeared and in many cases, he's on the lesser talent side. 

Bryce benefited from where he played. Nothing wrong with it. But its why you've got to ignore a lot of the game play and look at the physical attributes, footwork, progressions, motions, everything. We, and by we I mean Fitts and company and Tepper, ignored a lot of the simple red flags because they got hung up on the super processor hype. Damn that S2 test. 

This post is the exact reason I always call bullchit whenever someone says that bryce was #1 on most team boards and ranked #1 by analysts.

 

If some dummies on the huddle can see it then you can be damn near certain that billion dollar teams understand it as well.

[SetfreexX]

7 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

This post is the exact reason I always call bullchit whenever someone says that bryce was #1 on most team boards and ranked #1 by analysts.

 

If some dummies on the huddle can see it then you can be damn near certain that billion dollar teams understand it as well.

If you go back and read the articles, and watch the clips, the NFL "experts", ESPN, the other accredited draft "experts" Bucky Brooks, Daniel Jeremiah,etc. The vast majority of them had Bryce over Stroud.

I wanna say Pete Prisco at CBS, and the guy that wears glasses also with CBS (the white guy, not the bald guy) were adamant that Bryce was not going to be a franchise QB.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, DeAngelo Beason said:

All we've done is surround Bryce Young with guys who had previously turned subpar QBs into MVP candidates, but it's somehow always coaching.  Gimme a g*ddamn break.  This guy is a bum and a loser.  

Where in there did I say keep Young? Your hate blinds you to the other issues on this team. 

[strato]

1 hour ago, mav1234 said:

His arm is imo fine (yes lower end of average) the issue is mechanics / footwork to set and reset his body to throw with strength. He also doesn't trust his own arm strength much so he lofts things to places on the field. Not a big deal for bombs but when he's doing it for 10-15 yard stuff it lets defenders close.

That was always the fear, expectation, concern, etc, I had. 

Someone showed a still shot from his pick last game and said it showed that the defender closed 3 yards on that ball in the last portion of its flight. I forget the number. 10 yards I think it said but that sounds extreme. 
When guys are open by a step, any slowing down to wait for the ball lets the defender back into the play. That sort of stuff makes the margins so small… these NFL CBs are not slow.
 

It is a league that highly values foot speed; the 40 times and drill times are scrutinized down to the hundredth of a second when evaluating these players on both sides of the passing game. Receivers and defenders both. 

 My thing with his arm strength (or anyone’s) was always “why do you want to do that? Plus pay extra picks to put yourself in that situation?”. Asking for trouble.  
 

I wish there was a way to measure velocity on the back half of a throw compared to when it left the hand. Or really get accurate reading of the flight time of a ball from the near hash to the sideline, 10 yards down the field. Because teams could use that info. I have always seen this as being a disadvantage with Bryce but it is beyond my ability to quantify it.  

I think it would show what that arm strength is really about, a lot more than just measuring how much air can you put under it so it will fly as far as possible. 

 

[frankw]

1 hour ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Bryce had a lot of help in college. Bama has the top recruiting classes with mostly 1sts, a couple 2nd and a 5th over the past dozen years. 10 guys from his class were drafted. Georgia had 10 also.

He played lesser caliber competition. Yeah he played in the SEC, but the SEC still has only so many 4 and 5 star recruits and draft worthy players. Alabama had the best, other teams didn't. That's just the nature of college ball. Now every team has what would be elite level talent in college. That huge advantage has disappeared and in many cases, he's on the lesser talent side. 

Bryce benefited from where he played. Nothing wrong with it. But its why you've got to ignore a lot of the game play and look at the physical attributes, footwork, progressions, motions, everything. We, and by we I mean Fitts and company and Tepper, ignored a lot of the simple red flags because they got hung up on the super processor hype. Damn that S2 test. 

It's wild that guy is even debating this fact. Bryce Young also played under the winningest coach in modern football history who also personally went out of his way to vouch for Bryce. Remove Alabama from the equation altogether and replace it with a smaller school and Bryce Young wouldn't have even been drafted in the first two rounds.

[RJK]

You can blame DC or you can blame Bryce but reality is it’s both of them. Bryce is making the decision to check down so much but DC isn’t committed to the run

[Navy_football]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

It's wild that guy is even debating this fact. Bryce Young also played under the winningest coach in modern football history who also personally went out of his way to vouch for Bryce. Remove Alabama from the equation altogether and replace it with a smaller school and Bryce Young wouldn't have even been drafted in the first two rounds.

Frank what are you even talking about? He was the #1 QB in his high school class and the #2 overall recruit. Why would he be at a smaller school? Dude threw for dang near 5000 yards his sophomore season at Alabama with Jamison Williams and John Metchie. Good players but more speed than skilled. Maybe that's this dude's problem. Panthers keep bringing in big body WRs, but maybe he needs wiry fast guys instead. 

CJ Stroud threw for over 4000 that season too. Care to look at his receivers?

[frankw]

2 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

Frank what are you even talking about? He was the #1 QB in his high school class and the #2 overall recruit. Why would he be at a smaller school? Dude threw for dang near 5000 yards his sophomore season at Alabama with Jamison Williams and John Metchie. Good players but more speed than skilled. Maybe that's this dude's problem. Panthers keep bringing in big body WRs, but maybe he needs wiry fast guys instead. 

CJ Stroud threw for over 4000 that season too. Care to look at his receivers?

Bryce Young has had the best coaching top end talent and been afforded every benefit of the doubt his entire life before he got to the NFL. He's never had to face adversity like this.

CJ Stroud was basically labeled an ignoramus leading up to the draft.

You can fill the entire WR room with burners and it still won't matter if Bryce Young can't stop bailing from the pocket and killing plays and even if he does get the ball out they'll still have to slow up or contort themselves to haul in many of his passes.

You guys crack me up.

[Navy_football]

2 hours ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

Bryce had a lot of help in college. Bama has the top recruiting classes with mostly 1sts, a couple 2nd and a 5th over the past dozen years. 10 guys from his class were drafted. Georgia had 10 also.

He played lesser caliber competition. Yeah he played in the SEC, but the SEC still has only so many 4 and 5 star recruits and draft worthy players. Alabama had the best, other teams didn't. That's just the nature of college ball. Now every team has what would be elite level talent in college. That huge advantage has disappeared and in many cases, he's on the lesser talent side. 

Bryce benefited from where he played. Nothing wrong with it. But its why you've got to ignore a lot of the game play and look at the physical attributes, footwork, progressions, motions, everything. We, and by we I mean Fitts and company and Tepper, ignored a lot of the simple red flags because they got hung up on the super processor hype. Damn that S2 test. 

He definitely had talent around him. But they weren't the only reason he won the Heisman. I mean he is the only QB to ever win it at Bama - with the same number of 5 star players and coaches. I remember watching games and thinking this lil mofo is a baller. Still didn't want him. Because the team wasn't ready for a 1st round rookie QB. Bottom line - Bama Bryce was a friggin baller. Carolina Bryce is NOT.

[mav1234]

13 minutes ago, RJK said:

You can blame DC or you can blame Bryce but reality is it’s both of them. Bryce is making the decision to check down so much but DC isn’t committed to the run

I dunno man our running game was struggling to produce and we still did run it close to as many times as we dropped back despite being down for most of the game.  This team does seem committed to the run so teams commit to stopping it and when your QB struggles to complete passes past the line of scrimmage in a game you're not gonna force defenses to back off.

[Navy_football]

3 minutes ago, frankw said:

Bryce Young has had the best coaching top end talent and been afforded every benefit of the doubt his entire life before he got to the NFL. He's never had to face adversity like this.

CJ Stroud was basically labeled an ignoramus leading up to the draft.

You can fill the entire WR room with burners and it still won't matter if Bryce Young can't stop bailing from the pocket and killing plays and even if he does get the ball out they'll still have to slow up or contort themselves to haul in many of his passes.

You guys crack me up.

Is that what it is? He's had it too easy for you? Lol!

I never said BY is playing well. At least not consistently enough to be a franchise QB. That still doesn't take away what he did in college. 

He can play. He just isn't, so it doesn't matter if he can or not.

[frankw]

4 minutes ago, Navy_football said:

He definitely had talent around him. But they weren't the only reason he won the Heisman. I mean he is the only QB to ever win it at Bama - with the same number of 5 star players and coaches. I remember watching games and thinking this lil mofo is a baller. Still didn't want him. Because the team wasn't ready for a 1st round rookie QB. Bottom line - Bama Bryce was a friggin baller. Carolina Bryce is NOT.

Statistically Bryce Young wasn't anywhere near as good as Mac Jones or Tua at Alabama. He had the worst deep passing % of the three of them by a significant margin as well.

[Navy_football]

1 minute ago, frankw said:

Statistically Bryce Young wasn't anywhere near as good as Mac Jones or Tua at Alabama. He had the worst deep passing % of the three of them by a significant margin as well.

I mean I ain't trying to die on the Bryce Young hill, but this is a crazy statement. Who were Mac and Tua's receivers? Devonta Smith won a frigging Heisman! WRs don't mean everything but they matter.