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Bryce Young is the worst QB in Panthers History


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8 hours ago, TN05 said:

the one miss at 20 was the Legette drop.
 

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@mrcompletely11here is his chart from yesterday. It’s not the typically bad ones we see when he plays poorly. Granted Tampa’s pass defense is bad but he wasn’t the reason we lost yesterday IMO. There are plenty of games where he is and I’m fine with trying a different option. Using half a decade to see if a player can be your QB seems kind of crazy…

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10 hours ago, Joe Bear said:

Trying to double down on Bryce Derangement Syndrome ain't the way either, bruh. You and I both know if he signed with Dabo you'd be blaming everyone but him every Sunday.

Missed this one.

If Bryce played for Dabo….I’m pretty sure I would talk about him in the EXACT same manner I did DJU.  You know, when I called out the worst absolute worst QB play in all the ACC.  I mean, you can find those posts here on the huddle if you were to go looking.   So yeah, I don’t do something different with “my college team”.   

 

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56 minutes ago, ForJimmy said:

@mrcompletely11here is his chart from yesterday. It’s not the typically bad ones we see when he plays poorly. Granted Tampa’s pass defense is bad but he wasn’t the reason we lost yesterday IMO. There are plenty of games where he is and I’m fine with trying a different option. Using half a decade to see if a player can be your QB seems kind of crazy…

Bryce frequently is given passes on subpar plays because in the fourth he throws one pass against cover zero on fourth and inches when the defense is exhausted to get the team into field goal range. And the usual suspects will fall all over themselves hand waving the first 50 minutes because of the 55 yard game winning fg he was able to “manufacture”.

meanwhile, any other part of the team messes up once (ickey a few weeks ago getting pushed back) and that ONE play in the reason the panthers lost.

bryce was unproductive against a very bad, injured secondary. He vanished for most of the game. He had one horrible interception, and was involved in a mystery fumble we don’t understand yet. And this was a game where he had very good protection. And he got a gift TD from his defense.

a million things happen in a football game. There is one position that most frequently has the ability to outperform it all and impact the game. Bryce is the reason teams can play them a certain way because he can’t overcome it.

he is the reason they lost yesterday. 

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Even if he wasn’t statistically the worst QB, to me he is the least fun QB to watch play.  It just isn’t fun knowing on 3 and long you’re going to get a 2 yard pass.  I think that is why Dave goes for it so much on 4th down, he knows it takes BY 4 drives to move the ball 10 yards 

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2 hours ago, Candler Cat said:

 

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Lol. I should AI a picture of him with 6” long toes. Standing on them. 
 

 I recently decided we need to redo our OL with a height limit. 6 feet and under so junior can see and maybe function like a normal player. 

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2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

@mrcompletely11here is his chart from yesterday. It’s not the typically bad ones we see when he plays poorly. Granted Tampa’s pass defense is bad but he wasn’t the reason we lost yesterday IMO. There are plenty of games where he is and I’m fine with trying a different option. Using half a decade to see if a player can be your QB seems kind of crazy…

I never said he was the reason but he didnt play all that great.  Especially in the first half.  Just heard that for the last nine weeks we have one of the worst rushing attacks in the nfl.  Teams have figured us/bryce out.  I mean the data is right there in front of us.   It will be interesting to see how they address things come Feb but you are correct it shouldnt take this long wondering what you have at qb

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5 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

I never said he was the reason but he didnt play all that great.  Especially in the first half.  Just heard that for the last nine weeks we have one of the worst rushing attacks in the nfl.  Teams have figured us/bryce out.  I mean the data is right there in front of us.   It will be interesting to see how they address things come Feb but you are correct it shouldnt take this long wondering what you have at qb

Those two big running games came against two of the worst defenses in the league, one historically bad in Dallas. That said, it’s been cover one agains the offense ever since. And bryce still can’t make defenses lay. It’s maddening.

where are all those people screaming to extend Rico now, btw

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Clausen got 1 year in a lame duck season and wasn't even a 1st round pick.  Clausen is in the same group of guys like Kyle Allen, Chris Weinke, and Taylor Heineke.  They were never committed to beyond 1 season basically.

Bryce got 3 years.  That makes him in his own league for this award.

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2 hours ago, ForJimmy said:

@mrcompletely11here is his chart from yesterday. It’s not the typically bad ones we see when he plays poorly. Granted Tampa’s pass defense is bad but he wasn’t the reason we lost yesterday IMO. There are plenty of games where he is and I’m fine with trying a different option. Using half a decade to see if a player can be your QB seems kind of crazy…

That’s not so bad. Still an awful lot of inside 5 yard stuff. I’d like to see an overlay of all of them.  All 16 weeks he played.  

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3 hours ago, electro's horse said:

Bryce frequently is given passes on subpar plays because in the fourth he throws one pass against cover zero on fourth and inches when the defense is exhausted to get the team into field goal range. And the usual suspects will fall all over themselves hand waving the first 50 minutes because of the 55 yard game winning fg he was able to “manufacture”.

meanwhile, any other part of the team messes up once (ickey a few weeks ago getting pushed back) and that ONE play in the reason the panthers lost.

bryce was unproductive against a very bad, injured secondary. He vanished for most of the game. He had one horrible interception, and was involved in a mystery fumble we don’t understand yet. And this was a game where he had very good protection. And he got a gift TD from his defense.

a million things happen in a football game. There is one position that most frequently has the ability to outperform it all and impact the game. Bryce is the reason teams can play them a certain way because he can’t overcome it.

he is the reason they lost yesterday. 

Literally 5 posts after you, one of suspects shows up loll.

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4 hours ago, strato said:

That’s not so bad. Still an awful lot of inside 5 yard stuff. I’d like to see an overlay of all of them.  All 16 weeks he played.  

What your going to find is exactly what the commentators said yesterday. He isn't comfortable throwing over the middle of the field. J stew said on his podcast, you have to be able to attack the middle of the field or it's hard to win games. Think about that does to an offense that can't attack the middle of the field. It cuts off 1/3 of the routes that we and tes run.  Now on top of that add bad footwork and floating passes and you get what we have

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37 minutes ago, carolinanimal said:

What your going to find is exactly what the commentators said yesterday. He isn't comfortable throwing over the middle of the field. J stew said on his podcast, you have to be able to attack the middle of the field or it's hard to win games. Think about that does to an offense that can't attack the middle of the field. It cuts off 1/3 of the routes that we and tes run.  Now on top of that add bad footwork and floating passes and you get what we have

Oh yeah. Can’t see to throw in the middle.  
Those throws to the sidelines are scary too. So much air under them. It’s closing time for defenders.  
 

I hope we get rid of him. I doubt we will. I hope I can find a replacement passion/hobby for all the time I won’t be spending following the NFL. It is a lifelong addiction and hard to kick.  

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