Canales' O - Year 2

[strato]

57 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

I don’t think people realize how much our division rivals have done to improve, I don’t think this season is a fluke but I’ve seen nothing to that indicates this is a replicable performance going forward by this team 

Dave has been outperformed by his dc who a year ago fielded one of the worst defense in nfl history, and this year had very little resources dumped into that side of the ball 

I just don’t get exactly what Dave does that can’t be replaced by any run of mill winning team oc, my hope is if evero leaves we can get a dc that can maybe carry the offense enough 

NO is pretty obvious to me. Hell we couldn’t match up with them when they had like one win. The rookie’s 2nd start, we lose to them. 
I don’t know what to think about Atlanta with all the change that is coming for them. 
TB, they won’t be pushovers for us either. 

As far as repeatable, that would be standing still which you know… if you aren’t getting better you’re getting worse.  We’ll have to be better. 

Edited yesterday at 03:39 AM by strato

[countryboi]

it is insanely that the day after we make the playoffs, this is what you post. anyway I think Dave should give up calling the plays but the team is clearly getting better and we played the 10 toughest schedule and still made the playoffs. Only 2 other teams with a tougher schedule also made the playoffs. 

[Soul Rebel]

I’m trying to see the light at the end of the playcalling tunnel, but don’t know if it will be there.

If Canales passes off playcalling duties, I don’t see how he doesn’t give it to Idzik. I truthfully don’t know what Idzik does nor if he’s up for the job. I don’t see a world where Canales passes him over unless he’s instructed to, and I don’t get that feeling after making the playoffs in year two. 

I also don’t want Canales calling plays anymore. I can’t tell if BY is holding him back or if his playbook is that predictable, vanilla and determined to create a new style of offense that is dominated by screens and checkdowns.  

My gut says you plug 20 of 32 other starting NFL QBs not named Bryce in and this offense moves more. It’s wild because the times that Young does uncork it a bit, he has had more success….sans his signature out route lobs that have the zip of a paper airplane.

[countryboi]

3 minutes ago, Soul Rebel said:

I’m trying to see the light at the end of the playcalling tunnel, but don’t know if it will be there.

If Canales passes off playcalling duties, I don’t see how he doesn’t give it to Idzik. I truthfully don’t know what Idzik does nor if he’s up for the job. I don’t see a world where Canales passes him over unless he’s instructed to, and I don’t get that feeling after making the playoffs in year two. 

I also don’t want Canales calling plays anymore. I can’t tell if BY is holding him back or if his playbook is that predictable, vanilla and determined to create a new style of offense that is dominated by screens and checkdowns.  

My gut says you plug 20 of 32 other starting NFL QBs not named Bryce in and this offense moves more. It’s wild because the times that Young does uncork it a bit, he has had more success….sans his signature out route lobs that have the zip of a paper airplane.

there has been some talk that Idzik my leave for a real OC job, its seems he is very respected around the league. 

[panthersphan]

Wish he would coach less like a Sunday school teacher …need more fire from him.

 

Also, it bugs me that he calls it an “onsides kick”… DAVE… it’s called an “onside kick”, shouldn’t you know this?

Edited yesterday at 05:31 AM by panthersphan

[pantherclaw]

The team turned away from the identity.   The constant oline shuffle didn't help. 

[PleaseCutStewart]

7 hours ago, CRA said:

27th ranked O (yardage)

27th- points 

27th - yards per offensive play

27th - scoring %

29th - TO% 

25th - 3rd down %

24th - redzone %

26th - EPA/play

 

 

 

And everyone thinks he is the reason we are in the playoffs.... Yes, the moron that calls a flea flicker at the Tampa 20-yard line when we needed at least 3

[PleaseCutStewart]

7 hours ago, electro's horse said:

love the people who feel like this fraud should get to pick a defensive coordaintor

Rumor is he will pick himself and just call the offense and defense...

[PleaseCutStewart]

7 hours ago, MichaelNewtonII said:

Let him have a competent quarterback and see what he can do

Call 5 flea flickers a game instead of 1?

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I mean to be fair...didn't we lead the league in having the most oline combinations on the year?

After all that's where all of our $$ is tied up and if that part of your team is in that much of disarray it'd be awful hard to live up to its full potential. Not trying to make excuses, just saying.

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 hours ago, strato said:

NO is pretty obvious to me. Hell we couldn’t match up with them when they had like one win. The rookie’s 2nd start, we lose to them. 
I don’t know what to think about Atlanta with all the change that is coming for them. 
TB, they won’t be pushovers for us either. 

As far as repeatable, that would be standing still which you know… if you aren’t getting better you’re getting worse.  We’ll have to be better. 

Yeah that’s how I see the division currently

and when I say repeatable I mean wins against teams like GB and the Rams, dominated performances like the first atl game 

other playoffs teams we’ve faced we got blown out, team still doesn’t have an identity expect being inconsistent 

[strato]

2 hours ago, countryboi said:

it is insanely that the day after we make the playoffs, this is what you post. anyway I think Dave should give up calling the plays but the team is clearly getting better and we played the 10 toughest schedule and still made the playoffs. Only 2 other teams with a tougher schedule also made the playoffs. 

Not sure who you are talking to. Everybody maybe? Anyhow the family cat woke me up so…. 

Saturday, I will be in the playoff frame of mind for that game don’t worry about that. Will be living and dying on each play. Pretty sure everyone will be. That is still a few days away though. 

Right now it is yes we made the playoffs. Backed into it with some convoluted 3 way tie breaking magic. It took a heroic finish - not by us, but by Atlanta. I don’t hardly know how to feel about it. I don’t feel like we won it. It is just sort of, well okay here we are, somehow. Our number came up. We were lucky. And that is what we were. Not good, lucky. 

As far as here, this discussion, I think people rightly feel like, look at the offense. And it is kind of, what offense? They shut our run down and we become totally stagnant. Some people have faith that the QB can beat people with his arm but we aren’t doing it.

We went into our bye off a big high. In or tied for, first place. We control our destiny. 4 games to do it. And we freaking finished 1-3. That control our destiny thing? We didn’t control poo when it comes down to it. Lost in the mix is basically a huge collapse. No one really called it out, it got lost in the excitement of the chase. But, 1-3 with the playoffs on the line - every week. Not inspiring. I mean, you don’t call that trending up, and if we hadn’t lucked into the tournament that would be our finish headed into the offseason. Not what you want. And if we don’t win Saturday? 1-4 to finish the year.  Limping out. 

Okay that said I do hate going into playoffs on a winning streak because you are almost due to end the streak and that loss ends your season, so dropping One before the elimination games start is almost a comfort. But 1-3 with a 54 yard passing total in one of them? Followed by 14 points in a must win. Hmmm.
 

I am supposed to be optimistic? Sorry I don’t think I can be. I can hope, that’s different. It has just been a rough 8 years, and the excitement of having a winning record is in the rear view this week. About the only way we can have one is make the NFCCG I think. 
 

Anyhow, on offense, where are the signs that we can beat people who stymie our run game? I suppose it could happen out of the blue but we haven’t really been able to pull that off. 

Beating Tampa Bay was good. That was it though. Our other last little bit of glory is two plays on 4th down where they didn’t really pay attention in the back end, somehow, and we got two really nice results.  Not once, but twice back to back. Honestly it was so out of character it felt a little fluky. 

And here we are, depending on that to happen Saturday. At least I guess is what we are hoping for. Good luck to us. 
 

 

Edited yesterday at 07:17 AM by strato

[outlaw4]

We can go on and on about the players, but I'm more into judging Canales O based on the playcalling and general design.

It's still a very mixed bag for me. There are times where I like what I see. The rolling pockets he'll call at times seem to play right into Bryce's best qualities which I like. Him using Jimmy Horn with certain plays is good - although execution by Horn has been frustrating when he missed an opportunity for a big play. if it's 4th down and a pass play, I like the odds of a good play. Giving Coker more snaps over XL recently is a potentially good sign that he's not satisfied with XL's mistakes and is adjusting accordingly. I don't follow why we don't use the tight ends more often in the pass game, but seems that those work better than average. At some point, we were really running the ball well, so that's something, I suppose.

On the other hand, while he has shown to adjust, it often is too much of a swing in the other direction. Too often, we do something and it's working - like if running to the perimeter is getting us yards - only for Canales to then go back go stuffing up in the middle and wasting a down. Don't need to harp about the times when he tries to be too cute and it blows up in our faces. Canales has too many bad tendencies that our opponents are picking up on, like how we are quite likely to run on first down. Finally, I sometimes get the impression his play designs are for players that we don't actually have. We just don't really have explosive players on our teams that can make guys miss, and so these route concepts really should reflect the reality that YAC is not really expected and so it needs to be more vertical and/or have elements that help create separation by design. In other words, it still feels like the margin of error for a successful play, even a basic one, is too narrow.

[electro's horse]

11 hours ago, PanthersATL said:

if Bryce doesn't show improvement in 2026, Dave still has an argument in his pocket of "give me someone else" to buy another year minimum

Just like why Evero was kept around, cant blame bad coaching if the players cant execute. But if you have the talent and still cant produce, thats a different story

Evero was kept around because the job is career suicide and he was already under contract.