CBS Sports brief discussion about questionable Canales decision making

[Mills]

Very Brief but also Very Valid. Starts at the 4:10 mark

 

[TylerDurden]

Only thing I really agreed with is questioning why we didn’t take any timeouts on their last drive.  I know hindsight is 20/20, but I think it would’ve saved clock bc they were desperate to score as soon as the opportunity presented itself, but I also think it could’ve helped the defense regroup and maybe give us a better chance to stop them.

[*FreeFua*]

Canales once again proved the score dictates the way he calls plays 

17-14 and Canales starts being stubborn with the run game when it’s beyond obvious we have no run game. This offense is at its best when Canales is aggressive and Bryce is throwing downfield. Which Canales only is when we’re trailing by 7+ 

Settled for a FG that drive when we should’ve been going for 7

[Carolina Cajun]

3 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Canales once again proved the score dictates the way he calls plays 

17-14 and Canales starts being stubborn with the run game when it’s beyond obvious we have no run game. This offense is at its best when Canales is aggressive and Bryce is throwing downfield. Which Canales only is when we’re trailing by 7+ 

Settled for a FG that drive when we should’ve been going for 7

Add tempo, this was like the only game I can think of this season that we went up tempo.  Bryce looked WAY more comfortable when we were just blowin and goin.

[raleigh-panther]

4 hours ago, Mills said:

Very Brief but also Very Valid. Starts at the 4:10 mark

 

He isn’t wrong

 3 timeouts … there were options….same with several things Canales did as a play caller and as a HC, his not controlling Evero is an issue

i feel, too, the two of them combined, hold those players back

Let them play..

how smart do you have to be to know you cannot give Stafford no pressure and a prevent defense  

 

 

[CRA]

I think Canales needed to take the timeouts simply because of Dave and Bryce….

it does not appear they have the playcalls and ability to handle a scenario which such little time on the clock and basically panic.  That was the second time this season we have seen them get the ball with little time and needing points…..and they failed to move the ball an inch both times.   Call it inexperience.  But they don’t seem to grasp getting yards and moving the ball in a real tight time crunch and look for too big of chunks.  Both times they had timeouts and just let the clock burn looking looking to get it all in one play.  

still think this game showed we need a new DC and OC.  Canales needs to focus on just being a HC.   Maybe if he was focused on that he would have more time to help guide his playcallers to moments where they could use it.  While Evero was busy not calling a D, the OC in theory needed to be in his play sheet figuring out what he wanted to do.  Just too much on Dave

[frankw]

43 minutes ago, Carolina Cajun said:

Bryce looked WAY more comfortable when we were just blowin and goin.

Yeah and when they knew we had to pass with the game on the line how did he look?

[*FreeFua*]

1 hour ago, Carolina Cajun said:

Add tempo, this was like the only game I can think of this season that we went up tempo.  Bryce looked WAY more comfortable when we were just blowin and goin.

It’s my issue with Canales. It’s to the point I rather be trailing in a game until the very end. 

When we start attacking downfield and Bryce gets into a rhythm he’s damn good. It’s when Canales is hellbent on setting up 3rd and medium-long with the run game is when this offense stalls out. 

This offense seems to live in 3rd down when Canales wants to kill momentum and run the ball

Rico is gone. Him and Chuba are mostly the same back at this point. neither back is able to run that angle route Kyren scored on yesterday. Easy ass completion for a touchdown for Stafford. What really hurts this offense is our inability to draw up easy completions for 10 yards or so but we don’t have the playmakers for that. Watch Chicago play and I’m so jealous of the talent they have. Their TE might be their best WR in a room that has Odunze Burden and Moore. 

The entire defense bit on a screen to Bruden leaving Moore wide ass open. We don’t have a player that will threaten the defense on a simple screen. That 2nd down inside screen to Coker was dead from the start yesterday. Terrible play at a terrible time 

 

[PantherChris]

8 hours ago, TylerDurden said:

Only thing I really agreed with is questioning why we didn’t take any timeouts on their last drive.  I know hindsight is 20/20, but I think it would’ve saved clock bc they were desperate to score as soon as the opportunity presented itself, but I also think it could’ve helped the defense regroup and maybe give us a better chance to stop them.

The fact that Cannales also called the last four plays with nothing short over the middle when he had 3 time outs and needed 30 yards was pretty damning  too

[Soul Rebel]

Overall, I think it speaks to inexperience vs experience and I do believe Dave needs to figure out the structure of this operation.

He needs an OC. He also needs to either have more input with Evero or find a new DC. Wash has experience previously but I don’t know if I can stomach another season of Evero’s defense. 

I think it’s easier in hindsight to say we should use a timeout on defense, but you also want as many as possible with the ball and a long way to go. You figure one is earmarked to trot the ST unit out for the FG attempt, so giving Bryce two makes more sense to me. 

Evero letting their explosive offense trot down the field with just over two minutes left with no answer was wild. Putting pressure on Stafford is what got us back in the game. It’s also what won us the game the first time against LA. 
 

Sitting back in their normal “bend but don’t break” shell and letting an MVP vet pick you apart is horrible. It’s why the Rams were lighting us up in the first half too. Why move away from what helped give us the lead and proven to win a few weeks ago?

I understand this D needs more talent and Evero is making it work with what he has, but that last drive should have looked different. 

Edited January 11 by Soul Rebel

[poorboysrev]

5 hours ago, CRA said:

I think Canales needed to take the timeouts simply because of Dave and Bryce….

it does not appear they have the playcalls and ability to handle a scenario which such little time on the clock and basically panic.  That was the second time this season we have seen them get the ball with little time and needing points…..and they failed to move the ball an inch both times.   Call it inexperience.  But they don’t seem to grasp getting yards and moving the ball in a real tight time crunch and look for too big of chunks.  Both times they had timeouts and just let the clock burn looking looking to get it all in one play.  

still think this game showed we need a new DC and OC.  Canales needs to focus on just being a HC.   Maybe if he was focused on that he would have more time to help guide his playcallers to moments where they could use it.  While Evero was busy not calling a D, the OC in theory needed to be in his play sheet figuring out what he wanted to do.  Just too much on Dave

Totally agree. Evero with all the dbs 10 -15 off was it for me.Big contrast with DCcause we saw McVeigh call timeouts at the end to see how we were going to line up, make sure they're on same page etc. just methodical.  Hopefully just lack of experience/learning point  and DC self scouts and does better. Ending that kinda game with all our timeouts is something that should never happen. Doesn't mean it'd have changed the outcome but you gotta use every tool you have

[KillaCamNewton]

Ron Rivera inherited the core of a 12-4 team minus Peppers then got 2 generational players in his first 2 drafts and Canales still got to the playoffs faster than he did with the island of misfit toys

[TylerDurden]

3 hours ago, PantherChris said:

The fact that Cannales also called the last four plays with nothing short over the middle when he had 3 time outs and needed 30 yards was pretty damning  too

I was talking with a friend about it and mentioned, thought it’s hard to say bc the TV angle live doesn’t show the routes downfield, but it looked like a combination of all or most of the routes being long-developing and Bryce wanting to be a hero so he wasn’t looking for something quick - combined with getting pressured every snap almost immediately, and the calls Dave was making not helping Bryce, all we did was burn 15+ seconds out of the 30-something we had left.  That drive couldn’t have been any worse.  I’ve seen a lot of people put it in Horn for the drop, but Horn shouldn’t have even been in that position.  We should have hit quick poo slants, drags, flats, etc., and picked up what we could early and use the timeouts accordingly on those early downs.  Then, once you cross midfield, they have a lot more to think about and our options are a lot more vast.

[TD alt]

They were pretty much spot-on...except for that Jacob Coker dude...