Draft intel from ESPN’s Jordan Reid

[Basbear]

15 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Its been now 3 years of him being an OC and all 3 years his offenses have stunk ass and you can argue they are getting worse

hope has came my fend ... 

[countryboi]

yall talking about everything else other than the report, I don’t think this report means we’re locked in to drafting an offensive player at 19. Every single report last year had us taking a defender till we didn’t. The last thing a team is going to do is tell the whole world their game plan two weeks before the draft

[strato]

It seems to me Canales just ain’t that smart, on the imaginative side of the brain.  He wouldn’t be able to study McVay’s offense, for instance, and reverse engineer it. Of course, LA has a QB that once threw the ball almost 80 yards and Canales doesn’t and has to work around that. 
 

He needs a lot of help around him to be effective, I think he is smart enough to know how it though. 
That is why Bevell. 
 

I am real curious to see if they actually redesigned the offense, overhauled the playbook, etc. All I can picture though is a Seattle Russell Wilson chunk it as high and far as you can and hope, and a big running game.

But I am not that imaginative either, and definitely struggle to visualize how much they can really do when they probably have to avoid certain areas of the field in the passing game. 

[Shocker]

Speculation only.  If we take a WR at 19 I will be shocked.  Deep position we can get one later.  I still see that pick being defense.

[ColumbusCounty]

Rookie Bryce: Mingo, Thielen, DJ Chark as his WRs ...we won 2 games. 

2nd Year Bryce: XL is drafted and becomes Bryce's #1 target in 24...we won 5 games (kinda suprising tho)

3rd Year Bryce: Tmac is drafted and becomes Bryce's #1 with Coker in the mix in '25.. we managed to win the division and make the playoffs. ..8 wins

4th Year Bryce: TBD

..... but we do need another reliable option at the position. Maybe not at 19 (unless its Cooper or Lemon) but somewhere within the top 100.  

We are one injury away from reverting back to 23-24 status or worse. And if we dont happen to get substantial gains after this draft atleast we'll have the offense in a great spot to drop in our future QB. 

Tmac, Coker, Leggette, Horn Jr, Metchie.

I'd be willing to rock with the above but they could def stand an upgrade. An argument could be made at TE too. 

 

[PootieNunu]

6 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Thats with one of the most expensive lines in the nfl, a top tier Rb, 2 first round wr's and a really good UDFA.  All of that equates at best to a top 20 qb.  This place is going to lose its collective minds when the inevitable Tepper extension is applied

I think at that point a lot of us will just tune out, im not going to keep watching if they pay shorty a boatload of money to hold the team back. 

[TD alt]

1 hour ago, frankw said:

You do realize how ridiculous this sounds right? Historically winning free agency for the most part hasn't translated to Super Bowls for the overwhelming majority of teams. Building through the draft is the path.

I didn't say anything about "winning free agency." I said that we haven't been neglecting the defense, and we haven't been. Sure, we've acquired what looks like some solid if not good players in Lloyd, Phillips, Jackson, Moehrig, and even Robinson. Nick Scott was not exactly dog crap.  Moreover, it shouldn't be easy mental gymnastics to conveniently skip over adding Scourton, Umanmielen, Wallace, Ransom, Smith-Wade, Cam Jackson and a good UDFA in Corey Thornton. Every one of these guys is developing. Hopefully two to four of them will be starters, but the others should provide decent depth and rotational pieces if nothing else. So to.me, it sounds ridiculous to say we've neglected or are neglecting the defense simply because we haven't drafted a player in the first round. You may not like it, but offensive positions that we've needed have been their BPA in the first, but that's the way the cards fell, but plenty of resources have been put into the defense.

[Car123]

We need Sadiq at 19. Give Bryce legit receivers. 

[TD alt]

10 hours ago, mrcompletely11 said:

The push back here would be, if you have to have this much aligned for Bryce to hopefully show that he might be the guy then there is no fuging way you should be giving him $50 mil per moving forward.  And that is the low end of what he is going to asking for.  We have seen too many times that giving a dude a huge deal doesnt work.  Especially if you have doubts.  (See miami, Giants, Cards, no, atl etc)

 

And I ask again, what other teams have 3 above average wrs on them?  Most good qbs elevate whats already on the roster.

More than a few teams have three above average WRs, especially when you include TEs, starting with the Seahawks. The Bears just traded Moore, but they still have plus options and will likely reload. Green Bay has several above average receivers. Hell, Cincinnati and Dallas have two WR1s. Philly, Houston, Denver, etc. 

[firefox1234]

I wouldn’t mind another ORoY.

[Cpt slay a ho]

I’m kinda not opposed to it, only because the defense, even given evero’s problem in situational play calling, has been able to perform over expectations. 
 

but on the flip side, the offense has had the most investments but has fail to scrape top 15. We’re closer to a top 10 defensive team than a top 10 offense. Especially in our division, I just feel a top defense will get us closer to consistent contention. We can’t pay Bryce and pay all the offensive pieces needed for him to perform at his assume cap hit once he’s eating up a 3rd of the cap. 

[mrcompletely11]

10 hours ago, TD alt said:

More than a few teams have three above average WRs, especially when you include TEs, starting with the Seahawks. The Bears just traded Moore, but they still have plus options and will likely reload. Green Bay has several above average receivers. Hell, Cincinnati and Dallas have two WR1s. Philly, Houston, Denver, etc. 

Green Bay was a team I was thinking.  The others just have 2 solid options.   And we are talking about teams with 3 solid above average options

[TD alt]

26 minutes ago, mrcompletely11 said:

Green Bay was a team I was thinking.  The others just have 2 solid options.   And we are talking about teams with 3 solid above average options

Not true. I mean, come on dude. You went to "above average" to "solid." The teams that I mentioned have at least three solid options. Let's not waste time going through the motions.  But, maybe someone will see it as fun. Njigba, Shaheed, Kupp (maybe even Barner and/or Arroyo). I didn't even lost everyone. The Jags, Minny, Detroit. I could probably go on. Our WR corps is just not up to snuff. Just admit it. 

Edited April 10 by TD alt

[mrcompletely11]

8 minutes ago, TD alt said:

Not true. I mean, come on dude. You went to "above average" to "solid." The teams that I mentioned have at least three solid options. Let's not waste time going through the motions.  But, maybe someone will see it as fun. Njigba, Shaheed, Kupp (maybe even Barner and/or Arroyo). I didn't even lost everyone. The Jags, Minny, Detroit. I could probably go on. Our WR corps is just not up to snuff. Just admit it. 

we have 2 solid/above average (however you want to phrase that) wr's, which is more than half the league at least.  We dont need to be blowing more first round capital just to placate Bryce and his limitations.

 

We have one absolute stud (probably top 10 wr) in tmac and we have a high floor guy with insane potential if he can stay healthy.  Yeah man we are in better shape than the bulk of the teams in the league.  If you need to add some speed or whatever, sure draft in the mid rounds or wait until tc cuts.  Its monumentally stupid to spend 3 straight firsts on a wr if thats the route they go.  ITs just more and more excuses for Bryce, thats where we are at now. 

 

"How can bryce succeed without a big possession type wr (drafts 2 for him), how is bryce supposed to exceed without a speed guy......."   Its fuging never ending.  Give EE some goddamn help on defense for once