what does Bryce's 2026 season need to look like for you to be oaky with extending him?

[frankw]

42 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

I'm curious how many hear know Cam's stats in 2014.  His contract year before he signed his 2nd contract.  

It's amazing to me the double standard on here on the huddle.  What Cam did was more than good enough to earn his 2nd contract. No questions asked.  Bryce couldn't even do enough for most of you on here.  

If there is a double standard at play here it is you picking a down year and selectively ignoring 2011 2012 and 2013 to denigrate the only MVP in franchise history because you want to carry water for a #1 pick who indisputably moves the ball at a historically low rate. Lower than Blaine Gabbert.

In 2014 Newton in a down year where the Panthers had the 25th highest paid OL in the league and Byron Bell at left tackle he accumulated 3,666 all purpose yards 23 touchdowns 12 interceptions and 1 lost fumble

Bryce's best statistical season to date where the Panthers had the highest paid offensive line in the entire league he accumulated 3,227 all purpose yards 25 touchdowns  11 interceptions and 2 lost fumbles

Why is Cam Newton's floor more than acceptable for a #1 pick whose representatives in his fourth season in the league will be looking for him to be paid like a top 10 QB?

Edited May 19 by frankw

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 minutes ago, pantherclaw said:

For me, it's not about stats. It's all about winning consistently.  The only stat that matters. 

When people watched Cam play they knew he had "it." From his first game, there wasn't any doubt the man could play and he did it over and over again. Bryce hasn't done that. No consistency in production is a huge red flag 3 seasons in. Maybe he gets it, maybe not. If he's not consistent, he can't be the guy. 

[frankw]

"Guys 2023 wasn't fair let's just pretend it didn't happen and give Bryce Young a pass for one of the worst rookie seasons in at least a quarter century".

"Let's also pretend Bryce Young didn't start each season his first 3 years in the league playing like one of the worst Panthers QB's in franchise history".

"Did you know Cam Newton had a down year in 2014? And we'll just completely disregard his record setting first 3 seasons in the league so that clearly means Bryce Young is actually good".

[Mage]

What kind of contract are we talking?

I'd be okay with extending him for back-up QB money.

If we're talking top 10 QB money (because that is where every QB extension starts)?  I'm not sure there is any level of performance that he is realistically capable of achieving over the course of a regular season that would convince me he's worth it.  I hope I'm wrong though.   

[jfra78]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

I'm curious how many hear know Cam's stats in 2014.  His contract year before he signed his 2nd contract.  

It's amazing to me the double standard on here on the huddle.  What Cam did was more than good enough to earn his 2nd contract. No questions asked.  Bryce couldn't even do enough for most of you on here.  

People were upset about the amount he was getting, they thought he hadn't earned that type of money.  He quickly proved to be worth the money, 

[MechaZain]

17 hours ago, frankw said:

It should not be about his accomplishments alone such as winning the division or making the playoffs because we just did that and we needed help from the Failcons of all teams while getting swept by the Saints and a rookie 2nd round QB. 

If he can navigate a statistical top 12 QB season in key statistical metrics and we often win because of his contributions and not in spite of them then it should be under heavy consideration and negotiation. Even then though the situation has to be assessed logically knowing that tying up top 10-12 QB salary for a team that already has had the highest paid OL in the league two years in a row is not a sustainable long term approach whatsoever and going forward it will only be more crucial as his career progresses that he is able to elevate the sum of the moving parts around him rather than being wholly dependent on them the majority of the time.

This is where I'm at. Need his stats to prove that he's a franchise QB now because the eye test hasn't done him any favors. 

[CPF4LIFE]

I dont know what more some of these fans need to see the staff is not sold on bryce yet lol

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

I dont know what more some of these fans need to see the staff is not sold on bryce yet lol

Third year in a row he has no competition heading into training camp

Not sure what other reassurance you need 

[CPF4LIFE]

10 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Third year in a row he has no competition heading into training camp

Not sure what other reassurance you need 

He had no competition and was still benched tho. I dont think you can go off that alone, i think they are doing everything not to cause outside distractions. He is getting every opportunity as long as he is under contract. You forget we gave up way too much not to play him and the media would have a field day if he was on the sidelines because he is their darling boy. Remember the circus when canales benched him year before last?

Not what are agree with, im just telling you how i think they are looking at it.

Edited May 19 by CPF4LIFE

[electro's horse]

1 minute ago, CPF4LIFE said:

He had no competition and was still benched tho. I dont think you can go off that alone, i think they are doing everything not to cause outside distractions. He is getting every opportunity as long as he is under contract. You forget we gave up way too much not to play him and the media would have a field day if he was on the sidelines because he is their darling boy. Remember the circus when canales benched him year before last.

And after he was benched in 2024, he went into 2025 and now 2026 without competition. Canales can be totally in on Bryce and his precious system and still be incompetent. And they picked up his option; they could have just cut his ass.

[CPF4LIFE]

3 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

And after he was benched in 2024, he went into 2025 and now 2026 without competition. Canales can be totally in on Bryce and his precious system and still be incompetent. And they picked up his option; they could have just cut his ass.

True, but as i have been saying. That Rams playoff game saved his ass. I mean they could have had every reason to move on if he had of stunk that up but he didnt. He always does something at the very end to keep from getting kicked out the house. its annoying. 

[electro's horse]

10 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

True, but as i have been saying. That Rams playoff game saved his ass. I mean they could have had every reason to move on if he had of stunk that up but he didnt. He always does something at the very end to keep from getting kicked out the house. its annoying. 

Cut his ass anyway who cares 

Rams went to a superbowl and got rid of their qb. Different era but the ravens WON a superbowl and dumped Dilfers ass.

there are no rules here. You can do whatever you want. No one would give two shits if Bryce was cut and the replacement came in and played better, which would basically be any league average backup.

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

1 hour ago, CPF4LIFE said:

He had no competition and was still benched tho. I dont think you can go off that alone, i think they are doing everything not to cause outside distractions. He is getting every opportunity as long as he is under contract. You forget we gave up way too much not to play him and the media would have a field day if he was on the sidelines because he is their darling boy. Remember the circus when canales benched him year before last?

Not what are agree with, im just telling you how i think they are looking at it.

If you don't have a definitive answer at the QB spot, keep turning over rocks. These guys know that there are no guarantees and you have to constantly earn your position, or at least you should unless you're a HoF caliber. There's always someone trying to take your spot. 

Even if you have your guy, you keep looking to develop the next one in case a season/career ending injury occurs or the contract impedes your ability to build a complete roster. 

Qb, blindside tackle, and to a degree center are the 3 offensive positions that need to always be working on a plan B strategy. 

[rebelrouser]

8 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

If you don't have a definitive answer at the QB spot, keep turning over rocks.

The trouble is that Kenny Pickett is a tiny little rock w/ nothing underneath and Haynes King isn't even that. Still mad we passed on Nussmeier in the seventh.