Mcshay "Drafting him (Cam) was a gamble, and thats why this franchise is where it is"

[Mother Grabber]

Mayock's not real high on Cam, but he'll be the first to admit it if he's wrong about him.

He questioned Cam's desire to be great (which I think is silly) but he also said he's totally on-board if you think Cam wants to be great.

I think Cam talks a good game and has been well coached on what to say. Now we'll see if he really has what it takes to be the best. Here's to hoping he does.

[Jackofalltrades]

(scratches head) (very confused)

Ummmm... Didn't we draft Clausen last year???

Wow... Some people just won't ever get it!

It may be time to test each member on the huddle on basic football knowledge, as well as Panthers knowledge.

With those results, we should then be categorized, so that the slower people cant talk to the faster people.

You'd be gone all together. He said we hadn't gambled on a QB, Jimmy was considered a safe pick in the second whereas Cam was a huge risk.

Catch up little fella.

[Davidson Deac II]

I guess that by gamble, they mean when we moved up to pick Brown and Edwards. Those were definitely gambles, neither of which paid off. Dwayne Jarrett was a gamble. His stock was falling, and we still picked him. Signing David Carr and Keyshawn Johnson were gambles as well, neither of which paid off.

Of course, any pick you make is a gamble, but overall, our drafting has been very conservative.

[JawnyBlaze]

Mayock's not real high on Cam, but he'll be the first to admit it if he's wrong about him.

He questioned Cam's desire to be great (which I think is silly) but he also said he's totally on-board if you think Cam wants to be great.

Yea, I disagree with him about Cam's desire to be great, but even he said it's just a "gut feeling" and it's more of a "I dunno.." than a "I believe he's just in it for the money".

[jarhead]

I dont know if gambling is the word I would use.We have hurt ourselves trading up and we have made what now appears to be mistakes on who we took with our high draft picks.Its the same rule that stock traders sometime make when they fall in liove with a stock which ususally means paying more than its actual value.Jeff Otah is a guy that was injury prone in college so what we do is trade up into the first to get him.The next year we lost our first on Otah so we trade up for Everette brown costing us another first.And the icing on the cake we took a 5th round project and traded a second round pick.The word I would use for these last three or four years is stupid.

Drafting Cam was clearly a high stakes gamble the the rest of our draft shananigans are plain stupid/

[Millions]

:lol: which is why I say some of the medias opinions on the Panthers hold no weight.

First it was JR wouldn't pay a first round QB, they're conservative they will go defense and now we take to many gambles...

[Zod]

How many first round picks has Hurney gotten wrong?

[mav1234]

Clausen wasn't drafted to be the Franchise. He was just drafted because he was there.

The Panthers told Jimmy Clausen when they drafted him he was going to be their franchise guy. That's why later in the season, when he blew hard, there was an article about how he said nobody in the organization was calling him the franchise guy anymore and hadn't said it since the draft. But Jimmy was NOT a gamble on a quarterback really. Mayock basically had a similar stance with Jimmy as he did with Newton; if you buy into the guy personally, you buy into his physical talents and he's a great pick up.

We DO take risks and there's an argument to be made that the gambles we made the last couple season were why we were picking #1 overall The trades Hurney makes mortgaging the future are calculated risks and sometimes they pay off, and sometimes they don't. Releasing our veterans was a risk. Going into a season with Moore and two rookies was a risk. But reaching for quarterbacks?? Not exactly a typical gamble we make.

I suppose you can blame the risks our organization takes for last year's terrible season, but most of them were risks unrelated to the draft. (I don't consider Clausen much of a risk)

[Happy Panther]

Basically he said we take too many gambles, which is why we sucked last year. I literally spit out my Pepsi, because this guy obviously has no fuging clue what he is talking about. Jerry Richardson might be the most conservative guy in the NFL. JR thinks staying up past 8:30 is extreme. Of course, the opposite of JR is Al Davis, but thats another story. What I took from this is that these guys clearly have no clue what they are talking about. From now on I will put no stock what so ever in anything this guy says. Thats pathetic, and indicates a lack of knowledge on his part.

Armanti was certainly a gamble and maybe Clausen was too.

But that's not the only reason we sucked.

[unicar15]

I think we are where we are now because we haven't gambled on a franchise QB in a long time.

Exactly...we played it safe and stuck with a sinking Delhomme and Fox for two years too many. If he's referring to moving up to get Brown then that's not risky it was just one bad pick.

[jpniner]

Sticking with Jake and trading for Armanti were both huge Fox era gambles.

or just stupidity, take your pick

[Mother Grabber]

I like how everyone outside of NC still thinks Fox is an elite coach.

[Happy Panther]

I like how everyone outside of NC still thinks Fox is an elite coach.

We are going to find out

[Mr. Scot]

It's valid to say that Hurney's made some gambles that haven't paid off in the past. Hard to argue that. And yes, Newton is a gamble, one we're all hoping pays off.

With that said, it's wise to not take McShay too seriously. I don't generally find him especially insightful. Him getting stuff right falls under the 'stopped clock' category for me.