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Scott Fowler: Wins are Cam's litmus test this year

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TheRed Newbie

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excuses, excuses, excuses. qb's have always been judged on wins, leadership, and play in crunch time. cam has not stacked up in any of these areas. its amazing luck had 7 fourth quarter comebacks in his rookie season, absorbed 41 sacks, was hit about every time he threw the ball, showed great toughness and leadership skills, and according to most in panther nation he cant play a lick. wow!

polly, I aint a skins fan, and you can really hang your hat on cam beating the skins twice, he must be great

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Brady with a good defense = 3 Super Bowl wins

Brady without a good defense = 0 Super Bowl wins

 

Manning with a decent defense (in the playoffs that year anyway) = 1 Super Bowl win

Manning without a decent defense = 0 Super Bowl wins

 

Rodgers with a good defense = 1 Super Bowl win

Rodgers without a good defense = 0 Super Bowl wins

 

Brees is the only anomaly, a good QB that won the Super Bowl without a good defense.

 

On the flip side, mediocre QBs win the Super Bowl all the time if they have great defenses.

 

I think that it pretty much goes without saying that you need a great team overall to win the Super Bowl, but teams get into the playoffs and even the Super Bowl without good defenses, much less great ones. But, like I said, our defense ranked 10th last year, higher than the offense. Being that we added some key pieces to the line, and some ancillary (if not good) pieces behind the line, along with another year of experience, I believe there will be less question marks, not more. A beast of a D-line goes a long way towards overall defensive efficiency and stopping power. It can flat out cover a multitude of sins at times.  Considering recent history, I think that we're more apt to be fooled by the offense than the defense, notwithstanding that both showed growth during the second part of the season. The thing is though that the offense seemed to show growth during Cam's first season toward the end of the year, but we were all witness to the offensive slump last year. 

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This brings up an interesting debate does Cam have the support cast to take it over the top this year?  If Cam excels we can win a few more games but I see us having too many glaring holes to be much better than a 9-7 team. Teams with great defenses will have their way with the right side of our OL.With Piggy at RG our running game will not dominate.

 

On defense we should be better but I think the impact of our two new DTs want be fully realized until the following year plus our secondary is still suspect. 

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Superbowls are not the only way to judge a QB. Is Marino not great because he never won it? Also the fact that the Pats get so close even with no defense is a testament to Brady. If we are going to keep discussing Newton like one of the best at some point it needs to translate to wins. He's a big man, he can take criticism even if some of our fans are unable to deal with it.

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excuses, excuses, excuses. qb's have always been judged on wins, leadership, and play in crunch time. cam has not stacked up in any of these areas. its amazing luck had 7 fourth quarter comebacks in his rookie season, absorbed 41 sacks, was hit about every time he threw the ball, showed great toughness and leadership skills, and according to most in panther nation he cant play a lick. wow!

 

the colts played a weak schedule and luck turned the ball over a poo ton which finally bit them in the ass in the playoffs

 

by the way here are their 4th quarter/close game stats:

 

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QB's have always gotten too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses....this is just the way that it is.

 

But, wins are what matters and it is time for Cam to deliver them.

 

And stop with the damn excuses.

 

Cam has plenty of weapons....Smith, LaFell, Olsen, DWill, Stew, Tolbert, etc

 

I expect this season to be the major turning point in Cam's development.  People forget that he was a QB coming out of college that was likely to be a project.  His college experience in a pro style passing game was VERY limited.  His rookie year stats elevated the expectations too much.  The game is slowing down for him....he is getting more comfortable in the offense...he is learning/developing.

 

 

 

 

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QB's have always gotten too much credit for wins and too much blame for losses....this is just the way that it is.

 

But, wins are what matters and it is time for Cam to deliver them.

 

And stop with the damn excuses.

 

Cam has plenty of weapons....Smith, LaFell, Olsen, DWill, Stew, Tolbert, etc  Too many of you forget that we were 4 fluke plays from a 10-11 win season last year (and the playoffs)

 

Cam's fumble and/or Nak's brain fart in Atlanta

Smitty falling down in Chicago....yielding a Pick 6

Cam's throw in the dirt against Seattle

 

 

 

I expect this season to be the major turning point in Cam's development.  People forget that he was a QB coming out of college that was likely to be a project.  His college experience in a pro style passing game was VERY limited.  His rookie year stats elevated the expectations too much.  The game is slowing down for him....he is getting more comfortable in the offense...he is learning/developing.

 

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Cam does need to step up and show he can drive the team late to win a game or preserve a win. We finished 7-9 last year.  In order for us to have a winning season if Cam had made 2 plays at the end of the game we go 9-7.  The two games?   The fumble in the first Atlanta game on 3rd and 1 which would have given us a first down and the whole "go for it on fourth down" debate would have been moot.  The second game- the pass in the ground against Seattle when he had a wide open guy in the endzone. Forget the other choices, those 2 moments could have not only given us a winning season but turned the season around.  I think the Atlanta loss could have been a turning point if we had won.

Situations will arise again this year and it will be up to Cam to be the one to lead the offense.  You can make all the excuses you want for him but the quarterback get the huge bucks and along withthat the praise or blame for wins or losses.  Deservedly so......

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I will have the last word because you are being fuging retarded. It wasn't a "big deal" for you to comment on us not talking about something relevant to the conversation.  Feel free to keep chiming in your two cents of why people shouldn't be talking about something when you are telling me not to do the same to you.  You have done this with multiple people and you still aren't getting the hint?

watch out or he'll start talking about your big ego.

 

i've got the clown on ignore now because of what you wrote and my inability to remember any comment that he makes about football or the panthers. it's usually some commentary on his perception of what someone is saying and it usually has to do with them "obsessing" or being "butthurt" or something like that. it's just not worth the effort and it's not even interesting anymore. i swear it's worse than trying to discuss stuff with pffl because even with him and guys like him there was some football element to it. with this guy it's just trying unsuccessfully to act superior.

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watch out or he'll start talking about your big ego.

 

i've got the clown on ignore now because of what you wrote and my inability to remember any comment that he makes about football or the panthers. it's usually some commentary on his perception of what someone is saying and it usually has to do with them "obsessing" or being "butthurt" or something like that. it's just not worth the effort and it's not even interesting anymore. i swear it's worse than trying to discuss stuff with pffl because even with him and guys like him there was some football element to it. with this guy it's just trying unsuccessfully to act superior.

He has been getting on my nerves for quite some time now.

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