Wasnt Garry Williams absolutely abysmal or am I imagining things?

[Udogg]

Who the fug over the age of 15 does this?

 

People who crave attention.    Either:

 

1.  Everyone calls him stupid and he gives the old " Oh lord did I do that , I was drunk" excuse.

2.  People congratulate him on being drunk and he says... " Oh look at me, I was so drunk LOL"

[pantherj]

Williams is a good pass blocker, but he's somewhat lacking in run blocking. His weakness is that he is vulnerable to big DTs/DEs who have a good bull rush. He's a good pass blocker at RT, especially against quick DEs, and he's also quite good at RG pass blocking so long as the DT isn't massive. His problem is mostly that he lacks power in the run game. His run blocking leaves a lot to be desired, but he's still stronger than Piggy, but that's no great feat. jmo.

[PhillyB]

ey... im on vacatioN and im drunk as FUUUGG AT THE BEACH,  ////////////...................PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUNCEMENT....you know where im at, the 

"we are the poo" state.

 

 

You fellas are my bud. dont know anything about you, exept the love for the Carolina Panthers. together, we are stronger than steel. we are the fans, we have a voice. we are thye poo. we ***accomplish things****       FUUUCKCKCKCKKKK  YEahhh   WE CRAZY WE LOVE THE PANTHERS WE LOVE OUT TEAM WE SUPPORT THEM AND OUR FELLOW FANS////

 

 

real talk, i dont know you, you dont know me, but i l,ove you because we love the PANTHERS and we will RISE UPPPPP

 

 

 

THIS IS OUR YEAr. rise up. make the declarATION. HAVE PRIDE!!!!       HAVE A BEER!!!   (OR A BOTTLE OF BOURNON OR TWO) N     AHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA LETS GET ITTT   IM DRUNK  and as proud as ever TO BE A PANTHERS FAN   RISE UPPPP   GETTT  UPPPPPPPPP[PPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  GET BEHIND THE MOVEMENTTTT       AGGGHHHHHHGFHGHHGHJGHGHHGH             THIS...IS.....OUR.........YEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

 

never thought i'd miss fiz drunkposting but this about does it

[O-Ther]

ey... im on vacatioN and im drunk as FUUUGG AT THE BEACH,  ////////////...................PUBLIC SERVICE ANOUNCEMENT....you know where im at, the 

"we are the poo" state.

 

 

You fellas are my bud. dont know anything about you, exept the love for the Carolina Panthers. together, we are stronger than steel. we are the fans, we have a voice. we are thye poo. we ***accomplish things****       FUUUCKCKCKCKKKK  YEahhh   WE CRAZY WE LOVE THE PANTHERS WE LOVE OUT TEAM WE SUPPORT THEM AND OUR FELLOW FANS////

 

 

real talk, i dont know you, you dont know me, but i l,ove you because we love the PANTHERS and we will RISE UPPPPP

 

 

 

THIS IS OUR YEAr. rise up. make the declarATION. HAVE PRIDE!!!!       HAVE A BEER!!!   (OR A BOTTLE OF BOURNON OR TWO) N     AHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAA LETS GET ITTT   IM DRUNK  and as proud as ever TO BE A PANTHERS FAN   RISE UPPPP   GETTT  UPPPPPPPPP[PPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  GET BEHIND THE MOVEMENTTTT       AGGGHHHHHHGFHGHHGHJGHGHHGH             THIS...IS.....OUR.........YEARRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

 

I'm glad he's having fun! I'd join him, but I don't drink anymore.

 

Nothing wrong with being enthusiastically optimistic once in a while!

[MHS831]

People, if they were that high on GW, they would not have brought in Wharton for a look.  Hangartner played ahead of Williams all last season.  Maybe Williams was recovering from a 2011 ankle / leg injury, but I doubt it.  That injury was in the preseason.

 

What they are saying just does not make sense.  You do not tell everyone that you hare going ro run the ball more effectively then cut your starting RG and tell everyone that a career backup is actually better-especially when that career backup is a poor run blocker.

 

They cannot tell the press what they think if they are in negotiations.  That is not fair to Williams and it is stupid to let the player's agent know that there is unrest at the castle.

 

 

[CRA]

This is an excerpt from an article from a website not allowed on the huddle that points out that the O line was not as bad as people think and Williams did decently. The Numbers

Now we look at the personal responsibility of each sack, sans those in which a rusher was unblocked. I've accounted for each sack surrendered. For a more accurate interpretation of the data, I've divided the number of sacks each player surrendered by their total amount of offensive snaps played.

Byron Bell: 9 sacks (.95 sacks per hundred plays)

Garry Williams: 2 sacks (.33 sacks per hundred plays)

Jonathan Stewart: 1.5 sacks (.48 sacks per hundred plays)

Geoff Hangartner: 3 sacks (.40 sacks per hundred plays)

DeAngelo Williams= 0.5 sacks (.12 sacks per hundred plays)

Greg Olsen: 0.5 sacks (.05 sacks per hundred plays)

Amini Silatolu: 4.5 sacks (.51 sacks per hundred plays)

Mike Tolbert: sacks (.23 sacks per hundred plays)

Jordan Gross: 7 sacks (.68 sacks per hundred plays)

Jeff Byers: 2.5 sacks (.54 sacks per hundred plays)

Expectedly the two tackles, Bell and Gross, have higher rates, as they typically face the opposition's best pass rushers. The second year pro out of New Mexico, Bell surrendered the most sacks of all pass blockers, ceding nearly one sack for every 100 plays. Meanwhile, of the interior linemen, Jeff Byers gave up the highest rate of sacks, with Amini Silatolu just a heartbeat behind him.

Greg Olsen, one of the Panthers top receiving targets, rarely stays in to pass block, which accounts for his paltry sum. And going off of memory, Jonathan Stewart was called upon to pass block more often than his counterparts, Williams and Tolbert. One thing I would like to see more of next year: the running backs receiving more free-releases out of the backfield, serving as a receiver, or hot route, than being assigned to stay in and block. But, if the tackles need help with pass rushers, that isn't much of an option.

The next few categories proved too ambivalent to analyze independently, so for the sake of comparison, I also gathered the data on Peyton Manning's 21 sacks (the archetype) and Tony Romo's 36 sacks (the control) from the 2012 season. Also of note, I've removed two sacks from the sum, both of which were attempted, last play of the game, desperation, hail-maries.

Sacks by number of rushers: 3-4 5+ Cam Newton 21 13 Tony Romo 23 13 Peyton Manning 11 10

When first presented with Newton's final numbers, I wasn't exactly sure how to interpret them. Naturally, teams face exponentially more standard rushes of three or four defenders, than they do blitzes. But on the other hand, if a quarterback is being sacked in greater quantity via the blitz, does that intimate that he is poor at handling blitzes?

Apparently not.

Nearly 50% of Peyton Manning's sacks from 2012 came from the blitz. Comparatively, Newton and Romo are at 38% and 36% respectively. However, when breaking Cam's season into halves, it is visible that the Panthers quarterback is trending upwards. Of the 19 second half sacks (Games 10-17), 10 came on rushes with 3-4 rushers, 9 on blitzes (47%).

The distribution of sacks by quarter is fairly ambiguous. 1st quarter 2nd quarter 3rd quarter 4th quarter/OT Cam Newton 10 8 7 9 Tony Romo 5 9 11 11 Peyton Manning 7 6 3 5

Newton's sacks were allotted fairly normally over the course of the game, while Romo was sacked much more often in the second half versus the first, and Manning his antipode, being sacked more regularly in the first half.

Departing from the analogs of Manning and Romo, the next category is the breakdown of sacks by down. First down Second down Third down 10 9 15

Unsurprisingly, Newton was sacked more often on third down, which, more often than not, was a passing down for Carolina.

Sacks by field position: Inside the 20 Own 20-40 40-40 Opp.'s 20-40 Red Zone 4 14 10 6 0

For one, the Panthers did a fantastic job of avoiding sacks inside the red zone, although, we would like to decrease the number of sacks surrendered in field goal range (inside the opponent's 20-40 yard lines), which oftentimes resulted in leaving three points on the field. Similarly, the majority of Carolina's surrendered sacks occurred inside their own 20-40 yard lines, as well as between the forty-yard lines, most of which represent stunted drives and three-and-outs.

Despite the fact that there has been no (so far, at least) addition of starting caliber talent on the offensive line, the acquisition of hog-mollies that we've seen on the defensive line this offseason, I remain cautiously optimistic that the Panthers will at least be able to improve on their marks from 2012, in terms of sacks/hits surrendered. With the growth of Cam Newton as a quarterback, and the return of Ryan Kalil (who did not surrender a sack in the 400-odd snaps he played in 2012), not to mention the maturation of Amini Silatolu, Carolina should rebound nicely next year.

Well, Zod is wise....anyone who wants to argue that OL wasn't bad last year shouldn't be allowed to have their whack info on here.

If Cam was a normal QB he would have been sacked 2 billion times last year. They also struggled opening holes in the run game....unless we played the worst D in be history of the sport.

[Cary Kollins]

I think the Rivera quote about not signing any OL was a smokescreen.

[top dawg]

Ultimately I feel like Hangman's release is a Gettlemania move for next season. That is extra money in his pocket for the future he envisions. Hangman had no value but his release was worth 1.5m bucks.

 

I also get the feeling a man that pinches pennies this well won't be giving Greg Hardy a new deal until he has to. The same for Cam, I don't expect Cam to get a new deal next year unless the price is right.

 

I think that that next season's pocketbook was an added extra benefit, but not the direct reason for the move. I think that someone was doing a Jedi mind trick on someone, each other, or both during G-man and Rivera's morning meeting over coffee and Krispy Kremes. The problem is I don't think it's a bright idea, because I don't like the thought of Williams blocking the Osi Umenioras, Aldon Smiths and JPPs of the world, much less the Robert Quinns, Chris Longs and Quinton Coples (etc.) that he'll have to face this season which will almost be a surety because he is literally the weak link. 

 

I think they are simply lying to themselves at the moment, but they will change their minds in a hurry when the truth---perhaps the preseason and/or the first couple of games---slaps them (or, quite literally, Cam) in the face.  It's a calculated gamble, and I don't like gambling with the health of my prized QB in the balance.

[panthers55]

Well, Zod is wise....anyone who wants to argue that OL wasn't bad last year shouldn't be allowed to have their whack info on here.

If Cam was a normal QB he would have been sacked 2 billion times last year. They also struggled opening holes in the run game....unless we played the worst D in be history of the sport.

Yeah forget that we were number 1 on  football outsiders power running rankings for 2012. Forget that the biggest area we failed in were stuffs which was at least partly due to the read option and so many plays for no gain or losses.  And we actually were worse than in the past on opening holes at the second level  and in the open field which are as much due to the receivers and TEs not blocking downfield than the line getting an initial push.

 

As for sacks it cuts both ways. There were a lot of sacks he avoided by being mobile. Conversely 43% of hi sacks or around 15 were directly related  to holding the ball over 3 seconds.  If everyone on the o line is healthy and he is smarter with his reads and quicker to dump the ball  and throw it away the number of sacks could go way down making him and the line look better this year.   

[Zod]

Garry broke his ankle in 2011 and was out for the season. It has taken him since then to recover and get back to where the Panthers wanted him to be. Last season he started out with poor conditioning. This season he participated in OTA's and now training camp showing the promise that Rivera saw in him a couple years ago. If RIvera and the offensive staff are comfortable with that, so am I.

[jtm]

Everyone needs to relax. Hangartner was a liability last year and I bet you the Panthers are posturing for a better deal for Wharton. Hangartner is not a NFL starter.

[panthers55]

I think that that next season's pocketbook was an added extra benefit, but not the direct reason for the move. I think that someone was doing a Jedi mind trick on someone, each other, or both during G-man and Rivera's morning meeting over coffee and Krispy Kremes. The problem is I don't think it's a bright idea, because I don't like the thought of Williams blocking the Osi Umenioras, Aldon Smiths and JPPs of the world, much less the Robert Quinns, Chris Longs and Quinton Coples (etc.) that he'll have to face this season which will almost be a surety because he is literally the weak link. 

 

I think they are simply lying to themselves at the moment, but they will change their minds in a hurry when the truth---perhaps the preseason and/or the first couple of games---slaps them (or, quite literally, Cam) in the face.  It's a calculated gamble, and I don't like gambling with the health of my prized QB in the balance.

I don't think Gettleman is lying to himself. He has a formula that he has used all offseason.  He looks at production versus cost.  If you cost too much as a function of your production he cuts you plain and simple or asks for a pay cut. He said he is looking at the present and the future. Just like cutting Rosario, he didn't have to do it but he did.  I am sure saying were not bringing anyone in, is really to convince players and agents looking for work that we are not desperate and therefore you can't ask a premium price. If we sign someone you will hear the inevitable it was a situation that was too good to pass up. 

[CRA]

Yeah forget that we were number 1 on football outsiders power running rankings for 2012. Forget that the biggest area we failed in were stuffs which was at least partly due to the read option and so many plays for no gain or losses. And we actually were worse than in the past on opening holes at the second level and in the open field which are as much due to the receivers and TEs not blocking downfield than the line getting an initial push.

As for sacks it cuts both ways. There were a lot of sacks he avoided by being mobile. Conversely 43% of hi sacks or around 15 were directly related to holding the ball over 3 seconds. If everyone on the o line is healthy and he is smarter with his reads and quicker to dump the ball and throw it away the number of sacks could go way down making him and the line look better this year.

OL sucked...if you want to think it was good fine.

Read option is a scapegoat for too much.

[panthers55]

OL sucked...if you want to think it was good fine.

Read option is a scapegoat for too much.

Didn't say they were good I am only giving balance here.  You think I blame the read option too much I think people blame the O line too much. I am glad coaches and players know that everyone has to get better and that everyone has to be accountable.