Charles Godfrey

[Mr. Scot]

I agree, he was like the third best starting safety in the division. Not even the best on the team this year.  I don't understand how he commands so much when Gettleman proved that you can grab a guy like Mitchell or Mikell for less and have much better production.   Hurney Magic?

 

I can't blame Hurney alone there.  Rivera was in on it too.

 

[Vagrant]

Too many people overlooking Godfrey and what he brings because of improved front four play and our ability to plug in anybody back there and look respectable. Godfrey is a defensive playmaker in the secondary, which is something we're woefully short on. Having Godfrey back there improves us immensely. Mitchell and Godfrey would be a fantastic safety tandem.

[Mr. Scot]

Too many people overlooking Godfrey and what he brings because of improved front four play and our ability to plug in anybody back there and look respectable. Godfrey is a defensive playmaker in the secondary, which is something we're woefully short on. Having Godfrey back there improves us immensely. Mitchell and Godfrey would be a fantastic safety tandem.

 

Godfrey better than Mikell and/or Lester?

 

You're gonna have to convince me on that one :unsure:

 

[TheMaulClaw]

Godfrey better than Mikell and/or Lester?

 

You're gonna have to convince me on that one :unsure:

 

And Mitchell.  

[Mr. Scot]

And Mitchell.  

 

He has Mitchell as the other starter.

[Vagrant]

Godfrey better than Mikell and/or Lester?

 

You're gonna have to convince me on that one :unsure:

 

 

I'm not really sure how to begin to convince you though is the problem. Because secondary play is a pretty tough thing to document unless you dumb it down to pure statistics which is a flawed approach from the outset. What should I tell you about Charles Godfrey being a better football player than those two? He's more instinctive in coverage and he's a hard hitter for a guy who plays FS. He's versatile in that he can play both S positions.

 

To me, Mikell isn't even in this discussion. Not a big fan of his. I haven't seen a significant play from him that I can recall off hand. Lester is a good depth player but I know his personal stats have been influenced by picking off a few last second hail mary type plays and ducks. Certainly not discounting those plays, but they're just what.... three or four snaps out of a season worth of football? We've had some pretty bad secondary breakdowns especially at the end of games when we can't rotate our ends and we drop our linebackers into coverage. That is the SINGLE biggest weakness of our defense is our defense in two minute drills because our flaws in the secondary are emphasized when we don't blitz and play prevent. It has cost us games and nearly cost us another one last week if not for Wallace dropping that ball.

 

The fact that our secondary is doing "fine" without Godfrey is as much reason to cut him as our front four doing "fine" without Charles Johnson and hailing Mario Addison as good enough to tread water. You don't cast playmakers aside because the stop gaps you put in their place look adequate. It's bad management.

 

 

 

[Marc Anthony]

Cut him...cut I say!

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I'm not really sure how to begin to convince you though is the problem. Because secondary play is a pretty tough thing to document unless you dumb it down to pure statistics which is a flawed approach from the outset. What should I tell you about Charles Godfrey being a better football player than those two? He's more instinctive in coverage and he's a hard hitter for a guy who plays FS. He's versatile in that he can play both S positions.

 

To me, Mikell isn't even in this discussion. Not a big fan of his. I haven't seen a significant play from him that I can recall off hand. Lester is a good depth player but I know his personal stats have been influenced by picking off a few last second hail mary type plays and ducks. Certainly not discounting those plays, but they're just what.... three or four snaps out of a season worth of football? We've had some pretty bad secondary breakdowns especially at the end of games when we can't rotate our ends and we drop our linebackers into coverage. That is the SINGLE biggest weakness of our defense is our defense in two minute drills because our flaws in the secondary are emphasized when we don't blitz and play prevent. It has cost us games and nearly cost us another one last week if not for Wallace dropping that ball.

 

The fact that our secondary is doing "fine" without Godfrey is as much reason to cut him as our front four doing "fine" without Charles Johnson and hailing Mario Addison as good enough to tread water. You don't cast playmakers aside because the stop gaps you put in their place look adequate. It's bad management.

Well I'm just saying I watch a lot of tape and Godfrey is a pretty bad Safety he is always out of position and I really don't think he is that good of a tackler either.  Mitchell and Mikell both excel in open field tackling something I've seen Godfrey fail miserably at multiple times in his career.  Mitchell and Mikell are both rarely out of position, unlike Godfrey where it seemed like he was ALWAYS late over the top.  And Lester actually made some plays on the ball and not all his INTs were just "gifts" thrown right at him.  He should also have 2 more INTs if not for teammates interferring with him and knocking it loose.  Godfrey had a 5 INT season and damn near every one of his INTs were sailed balls and didn't require him making a play like I've seen Lester do multiple times

[Beast_3000]

I'm not really sure how to begin to convince you though is the problem. Because secondary play is a pretty tough thing to document unless you dumb it down to pure statistics which is a flawed approach from the outset. What should I tell you about Charles Godfrey being a better football player than those two? He's more instinctive in coverage and he's a hard hitter for a guy who plays FS. He's versatile in that he can play both S positions.

To me, Mikell isn't even in this discussion. Not a big fan of his. I haven't seen a significant play from him that I can recall off hand. Lester is a good depth player but I know his personal stats have been influenced by picking off a few last second hail mary type plays and ducks. Certainly not discounting those plays, but they're just what.... three or four snaps out of a season worth of football? We've had some pretty bad secondary breakdowns especially at the end of games when we can't rotate our ends and we drop our linebackers into coverage. That is the SINGLE biggest weakness of our defense is our defense in two minute drills because our flaws in the secondary are emphasized when we don't blitz and play prevent. It has cost us games and nearly cost us another one last week if not for Wallace dropping that ball.

The fact that our secondary is doing "fine" without Godfrey is as much reason to cut him as our front four doing "fine" without Charles Johnson and hailing Mario Addison as good enough to tread water. You don't cast playmakers aside because the stop gaps you put in their place look adequate. It's bad management.

Mikell is really good at run support he also has a sack and strip causing a fumble on the same play. They use Lester and Mikell as a two headed monster. Lester on passing downs and Mikell on obvious running down. You don't notice him as much because he helps plug a hole or the front seven gets to the runner first.

He has really high grades with PFF. I'm not saying he should get a new contract but he is part of our success. Lester takes some bad angles on run plays

[unicar15]

Play the best player...IMO Mitchell, Mikel, and Lester are all better players.

[TANTRIC-NINJA]

Godfrey is like a cat to a laser pointer when biting on Play Action fakes...99.7% of the time he will play the run then say oops...and apologize to the cb he was supposed to support on a deep pass.

[Fan01]

Let's see.  Pay 7 million and keep him or cut him and pay 2 million.  Such a hard choice.

 

Coming off that injury we're not going to give him much money on a restructure.  I could see us cutting and resigning him for the vet min or maybe a million because he knows the system well and is worth at least the vet minimum.  He's got some great physical tools but he's often out of position and bites hard on play action because he loves laying the big hits.  Rivera hates guys who don't know where they're supposed to be.  

[Ruff]

You have to look at the dead money though.

As to the accuracy of that calculator, no idea.

The dead money is the acceleration against the cap, which would be 2 million. Freeing up 5.1.

Does this need to be said on every page of this thread?

[Cpt slay a ho]

Another thread about how godfrey supposedly sucks or why he should be cut...............Just let GM take care of it i'm tired of hearing bs about how he was horrible and blah blah blah