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Star and Richardson....Two young bulls both worthy of DROY...who is better?


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We got the 14 and the Jets got the pick before us. Richardson has turned out to be quite a pick and is just as dominant as Star. I remember that the thought was that if the Jets had picked Star that the Panthers weren't that high on Richardson and may have passed him over.I wonder if that did play out that way and we passed on him cause Star was gone, would we be ripping our GM a new butt hole? Say what you want about Rex, but he knows his defense and got a real player at 13. Star faded a bit towards the end of the season and that kicked him out of final consideration but had one hell of a rookie season.Richardson kicked ass and took names all 16 games and never faded.We got a great DT to anchor our line for many years to come....just glad that we didn't have to choose between Richardson and someone else at 14. Either of these two guys would have elevated the defense to the levels we saw last season.

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I wasn't that high on Richardson for us, but he's excelled in Rex's 34. I'm trilled with Star and Short, don't think we could have drafted a better tandem.

As for who's better? Right now I'd go with Suh overall. There are some others but I would have to do some homework.

I feel we have an interior DL to envy for years to come.

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As for who's better? Right now I'd go with Suh overall. There are some others but I would have to do some homework.

 

Geno Atkins, Gerald McCoy, Vince Wilfork, Henry Melton, Haloti Ngata, Dontari Poe, Marcell Dareus, Kyle Williams, Jason Hatcher, and Ndomukong Suh are probably all better right now.

 

Within the next year, expect Star to jump into the top 8 or so, top 5 within two years. Atkins, Suh, McCoy, Melton, Dareus, Star, and Richardson are likely the perennials for the next like... 8 years or so. I expect Atkins, Suh, McCoy, Star, and Richardson to be the top 5 in a few years time.

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GMan said he talked to another team after the draft that picked in the top 5 and Star was #2 overall on their draft board and they took their #1. GMan said he felt relief when the Raiders took Hayden because knowing Rex Ryan he just "had a feeling" they were going to take Richardson. When this happened the party was on and it continues. Make no mistake, Star was, is, and always will be, our guy.

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Huddle GMs did all swear that Sheldon Richardson would be a total bust. Even calling Smitty an idiot when he was asked who he hoped the Panthers would draft and he said Sheldon Richardson.

Shockingly wrong!

I think Star is the best DT in the NFC South over Greald McCoy or the 2nd yr Saints guy who i cant name atm.

KK is top 4!

A long way from the Nick Haydens of the world at DT.

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Like I mean we can spend so much time over analyzing to come up with ways that we think star is better than richardson or we can just save time with the understanding that we got a great player and who gives a poo whether or not a similarly productive player is better or not and carry on with our day like we really should

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