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Brenton Bersin continues to impress


Jeremy Igo
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with the team being high on him:

WR1 Kelvin Benjamin

WR2 Funch

WR3 Corey Brown

WR4 Cotchery

WR5 Tedd Ginn Jr.

 

Do we keep six receivers on the active roster, with Bersin being number six? How many of these dudes end up active on gameday?

No Cotch will be the odd man out. Both him and Bersin are the same player. Yet Bersin is younger. I've said it before and I will agian  Bersin has one of the better relationship with Cam and Cotchery has the least.

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with the team being high on him:

WR1 Kelvin Benjamin

WR2 Funch

WR3 Corey Brown

WR4 Cotchery

WR5 Tedd Ginn Jr.

 

Do we keep six receivers on the active roster, with Bersin being number six? How many of these dudes end up active on gameday?

​I've been thinking we may keep 6 this year given the abundance of WRs (12) on the 90 man roster, though that might only happen if Webb is released.  I assume KB, Funchess, Brown & Ginn are all locks.  It's going to be a very tough battle for the last 1 or 2 spots.  

Cotch & Bersin play a similar role as possesion receivers.  Obviously Cotch has the added plus of being a veteran to coach the rookies.  It may be hard to keep them both.  I'm really not sure whom to route for.  If Hill does well and/or if Byrd shows a lot of promise (meaning he might be picked off the PS) it's going to be nearly impossible to keep both Cotch & Bersin.

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I really doubt Cotch brings as much to the locker room as everyone assumes he does. Last year maybe, but who wants to be mentored by an older guy who isn't very good? I'm sure the recievers look up to KB more now and Proehl brings the veteran experience. 

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It was hard not to react harshly after the playoff loss to Seattle..thats just apart of what comes with losing any game..You begin to question EVERYTHING.. I do believe that the play where Bersin was the number one target, got jammed up, so Cam had to look the other way to Dickson and threw a pick 6, played a huge part in people having doubts about Bersin.. People STILL wonder why on earth he was the first option on that play..But i think those people were just so upset about the outcome of that play, that they over reacted.  They replayed that play in their mind over and over and tried to pick apart everything.  But the truth is...if Cam wouldnt have thrown that pick, that is a play that everyone would have completely forgotten about.  How often does Cam have to go to his 2nd and 3rd options?  Do we criticize the first option when that happens? No. Its just apart of football.  You cant always throw to your first option.  Especially against one of the best defenses in the game.

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i'm ok with bersin over cotchery. with ginn and funch we've got two new high quality weapons being inserted into the mix; if corey brown is looking as improved as reports suggest, you basically have KB, Funch, Brown, and Ginn as verifiably talented, dangerous weapons that can start in any position (assuming Funch is worth his poo.)

if this leaves bersin as a rotational guy at WR5 who can continue to excel at his craft and make cotchery an afterthought i'm excited by that.

if someone had told me half a few years ago that we'd be debating which talented receiver to cut from our team i'd have kicked them in the balls for trying to melt a decade of bitter ice encasing my heart.

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I have no problem with them keeping Bersin, I actually liked him at the beginning of last year and had high hopes for him.

 

i do have a problem with him ever being the 1st or 2nd option on any kind of crucial down, and I don't trust this coachin staff enough to not do that again.

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I'm fine with him as wr5 just keep him away from special teams and don't make him the primary read ever.

I have no problem with them keeping Bersin, I actually liked him at the beginning of last year and had high hopes for him.

 

i do have a problem with him ever being the 1st or 2nd option on any kind of crucial down, and I don't trust this coachin staff enough to not do that again.

It was hard not to react harshly after the playoff loss to Seattle..thats just apart of what comes with losing any game..You begin to question EVERYTHING.. I do believe that the play where Bersin was the number one target, got jammed up, so Cam had to look the other way to Dickson and threw a pick 6, played a huge part in people having doubts about Bersin.. People STILL wonder why on earth he was the first option on that play..But i think those people were just so upset about the outcome of that play, that they over reacted.  They replayed that play in their mind over and over and tried to pick apart everything.  But the truth is...if Cam wouldnt have thrown that pick, that is a play that everyone would have completely forgotten about.  How often does Cam have to go to his 2nd and 3rd options?  Do we criticize the first option when that happens? No. Its just apart of football.  You cant always throw to your first option.  Especially against one of the best defenses in the game.

​You are basing the idea that Bersin should never be a primary read off of one play.

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